BMW and M Power Owners

As I have said i am a bit of a audi fan boy and until last week was looking at a 08 c6 RS6 for about 28k, they have issues showing now and are very old tech despite being a beast of a engine

somehow i saw a post on the rs246 forum and somebody suggested the f10 m5 as the way to go instead of, and i looked, like you (maybe) i couldnt not believe what i saw. I have never looked at m5's but i know there a good car made well with a nice engine. Having owned a m3 and 335d in my time i know there going to be nice

The tech is great, the options on my car are huge it has loads not mentioned, and its a nov 13 car so literally 3 years old... 33k please? was over 80k RRP.

Take my money
 
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Feel the car falls into no-mans land, people with money don't want that sort of liability and Mr skint who can finance a max of 25k can't actually afford to pay the £500 a year road tax, this just leaves the enthusiasts which are few and far between.

Boat load of car for the cash, probably unbeatable as a package actually, but i bet the bills would make your eyes water if something went wrong.

Mitigate the risk by opting for BMW's continued used warranty, but I suspect that comes at a substantial cost itself.

But yeah, you really can't beat that car as a package now. Stonking value.

The tech is great, the options on my car are huge it has loads not mentioned, and its a nov 13 car so literally 3 years old... 33k please? was over 80k RRP.

Take my money

Figured my M135i had taken a substantial hit when I bought it at just under three years old for £21k, with the original invoice being £37k, working out at circa 55% retained value.

But 40% retained value, that's horrific for the first owner, hilariously good fortune for the likes of yourself.

Be interesting to see where the prices go from here, as Gibbo mentioned, it's closing in on E60 territory?
 
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Feel the car falls into no-mans land, people with money don't want that sort of liability and Mr skint who can finance a max of 25k can't actually afford to pay the £500 a year road tax, this just leaves the enthusiasts which are few and far between.

Boat load of car for the cash, probably unbeatable as a package actually, but i bet the bills would make your eyes water if something went wrong.

Though the engine is not to my taste, still hugely quick and boat load of car, seems a performance bargain for such a relatively new car. :)
 
But 40% retained value, that's horrific for the first owner, hilariously good fortune for the likes of yourself.

Nobody was paying list price for LCI M5's though. There were thousands off. It could have been as little as £60k new meaning it's retained quite a lot of value.
 
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Nobody was paying list price for LCI M5's though. There were thousands off. It could have been as little as £60k new meaning it's retained quite a lot of value.

As a percentage, sure. But there's still some £30k to swallow over those three years.

Forgive my ignorance, but, what's the benefit (to anyone) when BMW give a car an rrp of £80k and only ever sell them for 75% of that?
 
As a percentage, sure. But there's still some £30k to swallow over those three years.

Sure, but 50% retained value over 3 years is about par for the course on most cars. The more expensive the car, the bigger loss that 50% is.

Forgive my ignorance, but, what's the benefit (to anyone) when BMW give a car an rrp of £80k and only ever sell them for 75% of that?

No idea, but it happens across the range - there was up to £14k off a new 5 Series in the last few years of production. Madness really, especially now where you'll pay under £40k after discounts for a car but £450 a year tax because the list price is over £40k..
 
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Sure, but 50% retained value over 3 years is about par for the course on most cars. The more expensive the car, the bigger loss that 50% is.

Indeed.

Still, almost a grand depreciation per month. The guy only did 44,000 miles, every sodding mile cost him near enough a pound, before you even consider interest on the loan, fuel, tyres etc.

Eye watering stuff but hey, if you've got the cash...

No idea, but it happens across the range - there was up to £14k off a new 5 Series in the last few years of production. Madness really, especially now where you'll pay under £40k after discounts for a car but £450 a year tax because the list price is over £40k..

Similar discussions on the BabyBMW forum at the moment, as a fully kitted out one is on the border of £40k, yet the actual cash that changes hands is more like £33k.
 
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Nobody was paying list price for LCI M5's though. There were thousands off. It could have been as little as £60k new meaning it's retained quite a lot of value.

There was a showroom one in my local dealership that sold for a touch over £50k with a decent spec on it. That would have been worth considering for sure.
 
Looking a E92 M3s now.

Looking for comp pack, DCT and EDC on a 2011 or later.


997.2 C2S PDK or E92 M3 DCT, man that is a tough choice!

Having driven both I can tell you the 911 is the better handling car, changes direction better, more grip and vastly better in wet conditions. The 911 weak points are less power and though the flat 6 sounds good, it is generally only at full chat in the upper rpm range. What I will say for Porsche is the way they build them, it feels like a 911 particular is built by taking a solid block of steel and they then cut the car from it, they feel so solid and well put together. Also 911 with PDK is hugely quick off the line if that floats your boat, rear engine mechanical traction is huge and the PDK means despatching 0-60 in sub 4s comes with ease.

Now over to the BMW, you get a newer car for the money with more toys and technology, though the quality of the E9x interior was never overly impressed me, nothing particular wrong with it, though the little maids handing you your seatbelt every time you get in are a little flimsy. It just when I get in the interior lacks sense of occasion or styling, its good quality but something lacking, though its a major major step up from S2000. For me the E9x M3 is really all about that engine and gear box. The engine is an absolute peach, you will love it as well as it is like the S2000 you gotta rev it hard. When you first drive one the first two things you notice is the throttle is beautiful smooth whilst be razer sharp and precise, the second thing you notice is how it feels somewhat lacking in torque/power, its not slow but for a V8 you expect more but then you wind it past 6500rpm and all of a sudden you forgive it, the thing pulls like a freight train past 6500rpm right beyond 8000rpm. Then the DCT is so much fun, PDK is a bit smooth, DCT in full sport mode gives you that hard shuff in the back, unlike SMG its not a mechanical BANG that feels like the gear box just fell out as its a programmed ECU kick in the back that feels great. Also to make them sound totally awesome cost like £200, just remove the stock backbox, remove 2 or 4 of the internal chambers and the car sounds wonderful it really does.

You said you drove a stock Mustang and liked that, well if you enjoyed that, I think you will love the M3, at first the engine in the M3 feels weaker, but once you wind it up it feels as strong if not stronger, combined with the DCT the M3 is actually a touch quicker than a stock Mustang. Throttle modulation is better in the M3 as well and the handling stock for stock, the M3 is better again, plus you can adjust suspension via EDC depending what kind of drive you want.

I did seriously consider an E9x M3 myself before Mustang, I still do wonder as the M3 does beat the Mustang in certain aspects, particular DCT and both engines have their unique characteristics, handling wise the BMW is better for sure, the stock Mustang needs some work to kill the rear-end float, of course once that is done they are both comparable. Mustang won me over on looks, interior, yes I prefer the interior more of an occaison and nicer in my view, but hey each to their own and the Mustang was a whole lot cheaper on the modding front and a lot more available, plus brand new witih good residuals. Still back to M3 the specification your looking at is spot on, they are great, I'd say the only thing I disliked, was the handling though good the car did not seem to make any attempt to hide its size or weight, it felt a heavy car to drive, I thought from driving it the weight was around 1700kg, but on paper it seems to be around 1580kg so was surprised by that, it felt heavier behind the wheel and I've driven a few of them now, though I bet it is easily sorted with some uprated bushes or maybe ARBs but it was just something I noticed whilst trying to throw one down some lanes. :D

911 or M3, such a tough choice but great to be in such a position. Heart would say M3 for that cracking V8 and soundtrack plus DCT, brain would say 911 for the sensational handling and mechanical traction levels in all weathers.

Just make sure both come with a warranty as the BMW does have some issues on the engine side and bills can be big, the 911 well they are much better now but things do break and they can be costly.
 

Certainly a lot more car for 24k than what 24k gets you in Porsche land.

I'd be cheeky and offer him 23k, though he says he was getting throttle actuators done, but then says codes went, so its not so clear if they were done or not.

To my knowledge the throttle actuators (TA) and rod bearings are the only real issues on these cars, get a car with both of those done and should be many years of happy motoring.
 
Certainly a lot more car for 24k than what 24k gets you in Porsche land.

I'd be cheeky and offer him 23k, though he says he was getting throttle actuators done, but then says codes went, so its not so clear if they were done or not.

To my knowledge the throttle actuators (TA) and rod bearings are the only real issues on these cars, get a car with both of those done and should be many years of happy motoring.

yeah I think that might be stopping his sale..

"it is broken, I'll fix it"
"now it's cool codes went so it's all good, bmw couldn't do anything"

a lot of car for the money! I do want an e46 the interior alone is just timeless imo
 
Seems to be a lot of interest in e9x M3's at the moment, wonder how their value will hold over the next 3-5 years.

Would have loved to jump into one now, but alas I need a hatch for the dog.

They have gone up in price, since the new one came out, E46 and E9x have certainly increased in value.

The S54 and S65 are epic engines with loads of character.

Whatever the new engine is designated in short it lacks character, sounds crap and is pretty boring, its all over by 6000rpm, the older engines are rev happy and are smoother, more precise and put the power down to the road more effectively.
 
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