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I managed to snag a set of 6 new Bosch B58 Injectors. £405 due to a black friday sale. New revised versions too.
Engine was kinda rough at idle (before it was crashed into) and fuel economy was poor. Not to mention the super rich smelling exhaust.
All pointed to possible leaky injectors (according to the bmw specialist who diagnosed it).

I planned to do this job eventually, no harm doing it as soon as I get it back. Might even treat it to a set of Spark plugs too, those were last done 37k miles ago.
 
Diagro said:
I'm currently using a 2022 530e.

It has some Poke, Not much, but plenty to spin up the front wheels.

Can switch between JUST battery, eDrive (Hybrid) or Sport.
I've been using the battery mode only really. will flick into sport when i fancy, but its nice not to need to add fuel to this car.
Charging it at work on a normal 13a Plug each day. no big deal.

No idea about the seats, however what i will say is it feels smaller inside vs my 440i.
With the two rear facing seats, my passengers have the same space up front as they did in my 440i GC.. and i have about the same seating position.
The boot is absolutely pitiful vs the 440i GC. Its terrible.

the 530e is NOT a big car inside at all, and the space in that boot makes it very poor... heck my mazda 3 had a MUCH more useable boot.
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Is the car smaller than the 440i because of battery space ? Interesting really maybe the 440i GC or new 3 series would be a better shout (with folding seats that is)
 
Quinnaay said:
Is the car smaller than the 440i because of battery space ? Interesting really maybe the 440i GC or new 3 series would be a better shout (with folding seats that is)
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Most hybrids have a compromised boot due to the location of the batteries.

The 5 Series is quite big inside - there’s certainly more space than a 3 or 4 Series. The 4GC has a hatch for a boot so could perhaps fit larger items than a 5 Saloon in some circumstances. A 5 Touring would soon sort that.

The G30 LCI is a fantastic car - genuinely difficult to fault, I’ve always been very impressed with them. The quality is night and day compared to an F model 3 or 4 Series too.

On the Saloon, folding seats are an option, so you’ll need to ensure it has them.
 
Quinnaay said:
Is the car smaller than the 440i because of battery space ? Interesting really maybe the 440i GC or new 3 series would be a better shout (with folding seats that is)
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The batteries are under the floor in the boot, so it's the boot area (and the fuel tank) where space is reduced in the plug-in hybrid 5 Series. The rest of the car is the same.

The 5 Series is a much better car than the original 4 Series - it is a generation newer. The 4 Series is a hatchback version of the 2011 3 Series, whilst it might seem unfair to compare a 5 Series that is a generation newer, the 4 Series production continued for so long that such comparison is valid as they are available at similar prices on the used market. Inside, the 5 Series will feel newer, more modern and more expensive.

To get a 4 Series that is worth thinking about compared with a 5 Series you'll need to look at the next version, for which you'll need significantly more money.

However, the same is again the case - the current 4 Series is based on the 2019 3 Series, of which you will find various examples in your budget. Some things about it are not as good as a 5 Series, others are in my opinion better than a 5 Series - but it isn't the obviously inferior car the previous 4 Series would be, if that makes sense.

So, for this budget I would either be looking at the 2017-2020 5 Series or a 2019/2020 3 Series Touring.
 
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Robbo said:
Most hybrids have a compromised boot due to the location of the batteries.

The 5 Series is quite big inside - there’s certainly more space than a 3 or 4 Series. The 4GC has a hatch for a boot so could perhaps fit larger items than a 5 Saloon in some circumstances. A 5 Touring would soon sort that.

The G30 LCI is a fantastic car - genuinely difficult to fault, I’ve always been very impressed with them. The quality is night and day compared to an F model 3 or 4 Series too.

On the Saloon, folding seats are an option, so you’ll need to ensure it has them.
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I don't agree. Especially when comparing the 5 Series to a 4GC.
With rear facing seats, they end up having just as much space as each other up front and behind. Yet the 5 series Boot is pitifully small and not really useful vs the 4GC.
(I'm ignoring the standard 4 series completely here)

HOWEVER, if i was to do this again, i'd likely look at a 3 Estate, and if the rear seating allowed for rear facing and still had the same space up front, I'd pick it for that massive boot space.
Looking at reviews however, there doesn't seem to be enough room back there to allow for a rear facing behind the driver.
 
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Diagro said:
I don't agree. Especially when comparing the 5 Series to a 4GC.
With rear facing seats, they end up having just as much space as each other up front and behind. Yet the 5 series Boot is pitifully small and not really useful vs the 4GC.
(I'm ignoring the standard 4 series completely here)

HOWEVER, if i was to do this again, i'd likely look at a 3 Estate, and if the rear seating allowed for rear facing and still had the same space up front, I'd pick it for that massive boot space.
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You are focusing on boot space though, which is lower on a hybrid.

Front and rear interior space is better on a 5 - that’s the whole point…

I’ve driven many of both and owned a couple of 7 Series, so I’m used to decent interior space!

The best thing is for Quinnaay to go and have a look at some and decide if it’s suitable.
 
Diagro said:
Yet the 5 series Boot is pitifully small
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No it isn't - only if you have the plug in hybrid. The standard 5 Series boot is very big, though the fact its a saloon compromises some of the practical benefit of all of that space.

The 5 Series boot is larger than the 4 Series - it has about 20% more capacity.
 
Robbo said:
You are focusing on boot space though, which is lower on a hybrid.

Front and rear interior space is better on a 5 - that’s the whole point…

I’ve driven many of both and owned a couple of 7 Series, so I’m used to decent interior space!

The best thing is for Quinnaay to go and have a look at some and decide if it’s suitable.
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Its not just the overall space, It's also about getting over sized stuff into it.
For example, the hatch size is too small to get our stroller in. No issue on the Hatch on the 4GC.
The drivers seat position is the SAME on both with a rear facing seat behind. Same for passenger.
My 6ft8 friend still has to fold himself up and cause the dash to creak exactly the same in both.

My point of view here is based on my 440i which is off for repair and the 530e im using right now.
 
[TW]Fox said:
No it isn't - only if you have the plug in hybrid. The standard 5 Series boot is very big, though the fact its a saloon compromises some of the practical benefit of all of that space.

The 5 Series boot is larger than the 4 Series - it has about 20% more capacity.
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If you cannot get stuff into that small hatch, whats the point in that added capacity? We don't fill it with water.
Nor do i want to get into the boot to reach for things at the back.
Id NEVER buy a saloon 5 series because of it.
 
Diagro said:
If you cannot get stuff into that small hatch, whats the point in that added capacity? We don't fill it with water.
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I've had nothing but saloon cars since 2006 and it's never been an issue. I can appreciate that some people might carry things that make it an issue, but that isn't the same as saying the boot is small because it is not. It is larger than the 4 Series.

Really what you are saying is that a hatchback (or estate) is more useful than a saloon. Which is completely true, but not the same thing as saying it has a bigger boot as it doesn't.

Diagro said:
Nor do i want to get into the boot to reach for things at the back.
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How do you get things without doing that? Climb over the back seats? I think I'd rather just open the boot...
 
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Diagro said:
Its not just the overall space, It's also about getting over sized stuff into it.
For example, the hatch size is too small to get our stroller in. No issue on the Hatch on the 4GC.
The drivers seat position is the SAME on both with a rear facing seat behind. Same for passenger.
My 6ft8 friend still has to fold himself up and cause the dash to creak exactly the same in both.

My point of view here is based on my 440i which is off for repair and the 530e im using right now.
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I’m not sure what else I can say, the 5 will be bigger inside… that’s not to say it’s massively different - you’d struggle to fit your friend in a 7 Series unless you can recline the seats a lot.

It’s a saloon - they don’t have a huge opening, that’s the point of a Touring - but the saloon still has a very large capacity.
 
I agree with you both now. (not the internal space though lol)
What seems to be the issue here is that I personally only have had hatch backs. Thus am used to the added useful nature of the hatch opening.
A saloon is just not for me it seems.

Might have to get a 5 series touring in 5 or so years as my next car :D
 
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Diagro said:
I agree with you both now. (not the internal space though lol)
What seems to be the issue here is that I personally only have had hatch backs. Thus am used to the added useful nature of the hatch opening.
A saloon is just not for me it seems.

Might have to get a 5 series touring in 5 or so years as my next car :D
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Would be a nice motor but I think you’d miss the slightly better chuck-ability of a 3/4 series
 
Useful discussion, as I’ve only ever had the 3 series Touring I wasn’t sure on the other models. As I have another baby on the way if the 5 series boot struggles to fit a pram in then that’s pretty much out of the question. As above though I think I’ll have to have a wander and see for myself the space differences.

Frustratingly the Tourers are just never moving in price.
 
ChrisD. said:
Why would you struggle to fit a pram in a 5 series boot? Even with batteries I don’t see how it could be a struggle.
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Depends on the pram. When I had a 407 (a long time ago now) the boot was just big enough for the pram wheel frame and the cot bit. As the kids get older, the prams get smaller (buggy size) but in the beginning, the kit can be enormous space hogs!
 
We used an Oyster 3 pram and it's reasonably compact, I don't see the point in the massive fancy ones. They're only in it for ~6 months anyway.
 
Quinnaay said:
Useful discussion, as I’ve only ever had the 3 series Touring I wasn’t sure on the other models. As I have another baby on the way if the 5 series boot struggles to fit a pram in then that’s pretty much out of the question. As above though I think I’ll have to have a wander and see for myself the space differences.

Frustratingly the Tourers are just never moving in price.
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You could be the envy of everyone and get a 5GT? http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302184409927
 
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