Soldato
Yeah and then be misplaced.
Boeing 777 shot down
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Yeah and then be misplaced.
Soldato
I don't really see how it could have been Ukraine that shot down the aircraft. For a start how many millions of planes have flown over Ukraine without incident. It'd be pretty easy for trained military personnel to identify the plane as civilian.
The rebels already have form of shooting down aircraft. Sounds to me like they got a new toy and weren't fully trained to use it properly.
The rebels already have form of shooting down aircraft. Sounds to me like they got a new toy and weren't fully trained to use it properly.
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Pretty obviously, all the airlines have been avoiding Ukraine airspace since this on Thursday.
Before this incident, British Airways, Lufthansa, Air France, Qantas, Asiana, and all the US airlines were already avoiding Ukraine.
But others, including Virgin Atlantic, Turkish Airlines, and Malaysia Airlines were still flying over Ukraine until this happened.
Nice captain hindsight outfit - to be fair why wouldn't they? This is an unprecedented event - everyone has been flying over Afghanistan for decades for example..
I don't think it was Ukraine either, but for reference they had Buks in the area and had claimed last week that one of their planes was shot down by Russian fighter jets not separatist SAM's so they believed Russian planes to be a threat and were on guard which means it would have been possible for them to accidentally shoot MH17 too.
The thing is that unlike heat seekers which can be tricked into chasing flares, radar guided missiles can only be temporarily confused by chaff into missing the target in the hope the missile will then fail to re-acquire it. The danger with this is that the missile can then acquire the wrong target (this happened in the Falklands war when a missile aimed at a royal navy vessel was confused into missing then acquired a civilian cargo ship transporting helicopters and supplies for the ground attack).
This is the reason people made a lot of fuss about the claims that MH17 may have had a fighter escort because if that rumour had been true then it would have been most likely that the missile was fired at an escort then deflected onto the airliner.
[TW]Fox;26635126 said:
Why wouldn't they fly over a war zone where both sides have AA missile battery's capable of shooting down targets at 72,000 ft, and where the controlling side declared the region a no fly zone weeks ago? You're probably going to point out that the world doesn't recognise the peoples republic of Donetsk, fine, the world doesn't recognise Russia's control of Crimea or China's occupation of Tibet but if they declared them a no fly zone I'm sure people would expect airliners to stay clear.
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Caporegime
What the **** have Sky News gone and done now. Morons.
Caporegime
Information overload.
Caporegime
Don
And for his next act, he dances on their graves!
I don't see the problem, he obviously realises its wrong and stops doing it a moment later?
So if he walked onto an active murder crime scene at home, started sifting through things then said "oh, sorry my bad" it would be ok too? He put common sense and decency aside just to get some cheap camera shots.
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seems as though the hsbc business key is what puts him off. probably banks with barclays
anyone who recognises it as a relatives belongings just might have a problem.
surely the guy knows all the flack the terrorists have been getting for looting and disturbing the crime scene
Your mixing 2 different issues there.
Moving past the disturbing crime scene aspect which is a whole matter of its own, doesn't look (from the limited amount I've seen) like he put "common sense and decency aside just to get some cheap camera shots" but rather a moment of absent mindedness - appears he pretty quickly stopped doing it when he realised what he was doing. Not a great moment for the guy but seems a bit of an over-reaction to what seems to be at face value human error.
I'm not in any way saying its ok but there seems to be a general over-reaction to what appears to be for the most part an absent minded **** up rather than something tasteless done intentionally.
Don
He does say he shouldn't be doing it but... there's no buts about it!
I've been at enough major incidents to say quite emphatically this is how these people behave.
Doh! the site loads for me with audio muted (didn't realise there was any sound to the clip) - turning that on shows it in a completely different light.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698823
What's people's opinion in this?
In the past 2 days I've had four utterly deranged looking people who would have absolutely no interest in the news or politics randomly approaching me and telling me "Putin bought the plane down".
I'm actually scared. Who are these people and why is there footage everywhere of a BUK covered under a green blanket being transported back to Russia on an open top military green coloured lorry for everyone to see and record?
What's people's opinion in this?
In the past 2 days I've had four utterly deranged looking people who would have absolutely no interest in the news or politics randomly approaching me and telling me "Putin bought the plane down".
I'm actually scared. Who are these people and why is there footage everywhere of a BUK covered under a green blanket being transported back to Russia on an open top military green coloured lorry for everyone to see and record?
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There's just no way to do that without removing all traces of the crash.
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