Boeing 777 shot down

I don't really see how it could have been Ukraine that shot down the aircraft. For a start how many millions of planes have flown over Ukraine without incident. It'd be pretty easy for trained military personnel to identify the plane as civilian.

The rebels already have form of shooting down aircraft. Sounds to me like they got a new toy and weren't fully trained to use it properly.
 
Westyfield2 said:
Pretty obviously, all the airlines have been avoiding Ukraine airspace since this on Thursday.

Before this incident, British Airways, Lufthansa, Air France, Qantas, Asiana, and all the US airlines were already avoiding Ukraine :cool:.

But others, including Virgin Atlantic, Turkish Airlines, and Malaysia Airlines were still flying over Ukraine until this happened :eek:.
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Nice captain hindsight outfit - to be fair why wouldn't they? This is an unprecedented event - everyone has been flying over Afghanistan for decades for example..
 
englishpremier said:
I don't really see how it could have been Ukraine that shot down the aircraft. For a start how many millions of planes have flown over Ukraine without incident. It'd be pretty easy for trained military personnel to identify the plane as civilian.
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I don't think it was Ukraine either, but for reference they had Buks in the area and had claimed last week that one of their planes was shot down by Russian fighter jets not separatist SAM's so they believed Russian planes to be a threat and were on guard which means it would have been possible for them to accidentally shoot MH17 too.

The thing is that unlike heat seekers which can be tricked into chasing flares, radar guided missiles can only be temporarily confused by chaff into missing the target in the hope the missile will then fail to re-acquire it. The danger with this is that the missile can then acquire the wrong target (this happened in the Falklands war when a missile aimed at a royal navy vessel was confused into missing then acquired a civilian cargo ship transporting helicopters and supplies for the ground attack).

This is the reason people made a lot of fuss about the claims that MH17 may have had a fighter escort because if that rumour had been true then it would have been most likely that the missile was fired at an escort then deflected onto the airliner.


[TW]Fox;26635126 said:
Nice captain hindsight outfit - to be fair why wouldn't they? This is an unprecedented event - everyone has been flying over Afghanistan for decades for example..
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Why wouldn't they fly over a war zone where both sides have AA missile battery's capable of shooting down targets at 72,000 ft, and where the controlling side declared the region a no fly zone weeks ago? You're probably going to point out that the world doesn't recognise the peoples republic of Donetsk, fine, the world doesn't recognise Russia's control of Crimea or China's occupation of Tibet but if they declared them a no fly zone I'm sure people would expect airliners to stay clear.
 
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Rroff said:
I don't see the problem, he obviously realises its wrong and stops doing it a moment later?
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So if he walked onto an active murder crime scene at home, started sifting through things then said "oh, sorry my bad" it would be ok too? He put common sense and decency aside just to get some cheap camera shots.
 
Rroff said:
I don't see the problem, he obviously realises its wrong and stops doing it a moment later?
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anyone who recognises it as a relatives belongings just might have a problem.

surely the guy knows all the flack the terrorists have been getting for looting and disturbing the crime scene
 
NexusK said:
So if he walked onto an active murder crime scene at home, started sifting through things then said "oh, sorry my bad" it would be ok too? He put common sense and decency aside just to get some cheap camera shots.
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Your mixing 2 different issues there.

Moving past the disturbing crime scene aspect which is a whole matter of its own, doesn't look (from the limited amount I've seen) like he put "common sense and decency aside just to get some cheap camera shots" but rather a moment of absent mindedness - appears he pretty quickly stopped doing it when he realised what he was doing. Not a great moment for the guy but seems a bit of an over-reaction to what seems to be at face value human error.

arknor said:
anyone who recognises it as a relatives belongings just might have a problem.

surely the guy knows all the flack the terrorists have been getting for looting and disturbing the crime scene
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I'm not in any way saying its ok but there seems to be a general over-reaction to what appears to be for the most part an absent minded **** up rather than something tasteless done intentionally.
 
Rroff said:
I'm not in any way saying its ok but there seems to be a general over-reaction to what appears to be for the most part an absent minded **** up rather than something tasteless done intentionally.
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I've been at enough major incidents to say quite emphatically this is how these people behave.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698823

What's people's opinion in this?

In the past 2 days I've had four utterly deranged looking people who would have absolutely no interest in the news or politics randomly approaching me and telling me "Putin bought the plane down".

I'm actually scared. Who are these people and why is there footage everywhere of a BUK covered under a green blanket being transported back to Russia on an open top military green coloured lorry for everyone to see and record?
 
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Clam your skin down, it's not as if he's looking for wallets and stealing people's money all he's doing is showing the belongings that have somehow survived the crash.

asim18 said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698823

What's people's opinion in this?

In the past 2 days I've had four utterly deranged looking people who would have absolutely no interest in the news or politics randomly approaching me and telling me "Putin bought the plane down".

I'm actually scared. Who are these people and why is there footage everywhere of a BUK covered under a green blanket being transported back to Russia on an open top military green coloured lorry for everyone to see and record?
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What do I think?

A) It's Daily Mail

B) "Beness Aijo, 29, is a Latvian communist who lived in London for years" - Meh, communists typically support other communists so I wouldn't expect anything less (Yes I do believe Putin/Russian Government is just the same as it was back in the days of the USSR, different faces same rubbish).

C) I don't know the political opinions of an airport worker matter or why it's was deemed worthy or an article.
 
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