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Good article,
Amazing to finally see some people being objective and impartial about the situation
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Good article,
Amazing to finally see some people being objective and impartial about the situation
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It's a bit over the top, but you need to balance it out.
Do they wait until political negotiation finally get to where the investigators are allows unrestricted access, or do they seize the area by force, without killing (stun?) so it can be preserved and stop the removal of anything from the site - which at this point is too late but at least its sooner rather than later.
alternatively they could have been intoxicated like the terrorists guarding the crash site.
That's pretty much been the assumed scenario from the beginning, and backed by the circumstantial evidence and subsequent actions by Russia and the pro-Russian militia.
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No, the news is saying 196 bodies have been FOUND at the site, not removed:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28389991
They should have asked the Ukrainian government for permission to do so on Friday. What do we get, inactivity, lots of hot air in from politicians/papers/tv and nothing else. It's shameful.
If you introduced any western troops from any nation into a zone controlled by the rebels there *will* be deaths unless the rebels agreed to pull back prior which would never happen. Thinking that they'd be able to only stun people is a fantasy sadly.
The most upsetting thing about this is that regardless of who turns out to be responsible for the shooting is just how the situation is being handled with the bodies. Neither the Ukrainian's nor the Russian fighters wanted this and it is obviously an accident so I don't know why there can't be at least some sort of effort from the separatists controlling the crash site to hand over the bodies to an independent party so they can be ID'd and returned to their families for burial and closure. Even if they just put them all in a truck and leave it on the border for collection it doesn't have to be dignified, just give the innocent families what they need and sort out the politics after, it's saddening 
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[TW]Fox;26633066 said:
You're not up to date.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/bodies-from-malaysian-airlines-crash-left-to-rot-in-deserted
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/19/mh17-armed-rebels-chaos-corpses-ukraine
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They've probably finished looting and removing anything potentially important.
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You obviously do not understand the politics of the area. Russia has been growing more alarmed at US missiles being placed on ex Soviet bloc countries since the supposed end of the Cold War. Now you propose to send in Western troops to attack people on their border. People regarded as their kin. This 'solution' is almost guaranteed to result in Russian troops coming in to 'aid' their neighbours.
Just stop for a second and think... Why would the rebels want to dispose of the bodies? What would they tell the west about the incident that we don't know already (or that the rebels haven't said already)? It's not like hiding the bodies and whistling will make the incident unhappen is it.
Well the Russian military commander of the pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine has already claimed that the bodies were already dead and drained of blood when the plane was shot down, so I guess we could verify that that claim was incorrect.
It would not surprise me at all if eventually the Russian position shifts towards an implausible conspiracy theory. All they need is for their own nationalistic citizens and a few gullible idiots in the West to believe it.
