Boeing 777 shot down

Danthus · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:28

MikeTheNative said:
I can't imagine the Russia would be that stupid as to shoot it down themselves. The pro Russian rebel group I can see doing it though.

And where would the pro Russian rebel group obtain the required arms to down a plane at 30,000 feet?

aslco · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:30

Crimea is russian. Why is the BBC showing it as Ukrainian. Can't stand things like that

thep02 · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:30

There's large bits of debris so hopefully they'll confirm that it's not mh370 being used as a false flag having been flown out of Diego Garcia as has been suggested in the conspiracy sphere.

Sin_Chase · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:30

Jokester said:
They were claiming they had shot down a Ukrainian military jet, not a passenger jet.

Initially yes. But the Taliban would claim credit for terrorist related activity where the Pro-Russian separatists would not.

Hence why they would instantly look to remove any evidence of their initial gloating about a down military aircraft.

Just a slightly poor comparison, Taliban would indiscrimately claim credit for anything they could

Unicorn · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:31

OldCoals said:
And where would the pro Russian rebel group obtain the required arms to down a plane at 30,000 feet?

Im doubtful any rebels have the capability to do this tbh. At that height it must be military?

Sin_Chase · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:32

Unicorn said:
Im doubtful any rebels have the capability to do this tbh. At that height it must be military?

Or rebels with military equipment, with the required training.

gettothechopper · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:32

arknor said:
go read on on the history of warfare countries have never lied ever! honest gov!

lol

I have been there 5 times in 3 years

You read about it on the internet

Freddie1980 · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:32

It's most likely the Russians or Russian terrorists who shot this down but you have to question why the pilots are flyng over this region given that a couple of military planes have been shot down recently.

shephga · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:34

Sin_Chase said:
Initially yes. But the Taliban would claim credit for terrorist related activity where the Pro-Russian separatists would not.

Hence why they would instantly look to remove any evidence of their initial gloating about a down military aircraft.

Just a slightly poor comparison, Taliban would indiscrimately claim credit for anything they could

As far as I know Pro-Russian separatists don't have any aircraft, so if Ukraine were to be shooting planes they'd be doing it knowing they're Russian planes. Haven't all of the aircraft shot down been Ukranian aircraft by the Pro-Russian separatists ? Personally I believe Pro-Russian separatists or Russian troops guised as Pro-Russian separatists shot it down in error.

jsmoke · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:34

This is sad, ridiculous and just blatant evil. I have no words, how could they mistake this plane, they could hardly see it.

Freddie1980 · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:36

OldCoals said:
Separatist, terrorist, rebel.

Does anyone really know who is what and who they are fighting for?

I wonder the same thing, the eastern Ukrainian Oligarchs are buying the weaponry from Russia but the Russian government won't put boots on the ground and have effectively left the pro Russians fighters to die.

Robbo · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:36

MH17 Passenger Apparently Took Extraordinary Photo As He Boarded

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/17/extraordinary-facebook-photo-mh17_n_5595865.html

Oh dear.

CREATIVE!11 · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:36

If it was shot down surely would have been by a fringe militia group?

Ukraine wouldn't do that?

right....... RIGHT?!

PapaLazaru · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:37

thep02 said:
There's large bits of debris so hopefully they'll confirm that it's not mh370 being used as a false flag having been flown out of Diego Garcia as has been suggested in the conspiracy sphere.

Lol

NexusK · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:39

Airlines from loads of countries are now saying they won't fly over the Ukraine anymore. Surely it would have been common sense for them to stop long before now.

Unicorn · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:39

We will know who launched it in afew hours am sure when the satellites have been checked over

Purdy · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:41

Tefal said:
out of curiosity did you see those posts or did someone just tell you there were these posts and then that they were deleted ?

Reddit translation, no idea if accurate.

AN-26 airplane was shot down near Torez, it fell somewhere behind the mine "Progress".
We warned - do not fly in "our sky".
And here is the video proof of another "bird-fall" (bird = slang for an airplane).
Another bird fell behind the spoil tip, residential areas were not affected.
No civilians were harmed.

delta0 · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:41

aslco said:
Crimea is russian. Why is the BBC showing it as Ukrainian. Can't stand things like that

BBC looks correct. Although as it stands at the moment Russia have taken it. I can't see it staying that way though. Today's event will only escalate things.

BuffetSlayer · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:43

RIP to all of those on board.

Regardless of who did it or how it happened, as with all air crashes this is a tragedy and my thoughts go out to the families of those lost, and to the folk who will have to pick up the pieces over the coming weeks.

jsmoke · 17 Jul 2014 at 18:43

What would have happened if it was an American airliner?