Borderlands 3
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Man of Honour
I played it a couple of weeks ago. I played all of it. The main story, most of the side missions and the 3 main story DLCs. How much of it have you played? Do you like platform games?
It's not "more of the same of borderlands 2" and nobody has said it's meant to be an rpg. Although it should have stories and characters and lore, like all the Borderlands games, and that's part of where it falls flat.
Man of Honour
I outlined some of the key differences just a few posts ago, in post 1679. BL3 is significantly unlike BL2. Perhaps you haven't played either enough to notice. I notice you didn't answer my questions.
If someone ignores the sexism, ignores the story, ignores the entire lore of the entire Borderlands series, doesn't want to explore anywhere in the game as they prefer a very linear game ignoring everything not directly on the path of the current mission (and therefore hardly even looks at the map, let alone try to use it for navigation), likes badly implemented harsh platform games...then they might think that BL3 is the same as BL2.
You may have highlighted there why it is that I enjoy BL3, sexism I dont give 2 hoots about, the lore I dont particularly care about. If it was a Metro game, where I'm very into the lore then I would, but I'm not into the BL lore. Linear/non linear, I'm not terribly fussed about as I see Borderlands as a 3d version of Diablo and Diablo of course was stupendously linear so that doesnt bother me. Really, all I have ever enjoyed about the BL series (I own them all and have many hundreds of hours in them) is the gunplay, running and gunning, bang loads of loot and co-op'ing it. That may explain why I've enjoyed all the BL games, including BL3.
Last weekend I was getting fed up looking at all the DLC quests in my quest log stuck at level 13 while I was at level 21. So I decided to do one, just to see what it was like and I picked the Guns, Love and Tentacles one, thinking it would be an hour, maybe two max. How wrong I was!! It's also weird how it works. The map where I started the DLC, the Skittering Maw, was level 13. But, when I went to the Lodge everything scaled up to my level. But, when every time I return to Skittering Maw, everything is stuck at level 13. But, any area that go into from Skittering Maw scales to my level.
I am level 27 now. The DLC is so long and the maps are huge, so I am going to be well over the level of the Main mission when I finally get back to it.
What are my thoughts at this stage? I am still playing it and it still has the same hold on me that BL2 had. Just one more level, just play until the next spawn point etc. And I don't notice time passing at all, I could sit down to play for an hour next thing two or three hours has gone by. So that's good. I do wish I had waited to do the DLC quest until I had finished the Main story line first.
However, the things I pointed out earlier are really annoying. Borderlands 2, for me, got the size of mobs perfect. Big bad dudes were big bad dudes. Giant Skags had presence and a sense of power and size. I don't get that same sense of "fear" from the mobs in BL3. Mobs are Tiny. Sometimes in heavy areas, I have to look hard for the bosses and/or the baddasses. Whereas in BL2, you knew, even in the busiest scenes who the baddest mobs were.
Second thing is loot. They went stupidly overboard. Increasing the variety is great, but, the sheer numbers of drops is silly. It has taken away the thrill of opening chests completely. It's gone the other way for me, now I hate finding chests, because it means juggling more loot and deciding between more weapons that are only slightly different than what you have. They have also ruined the legendary weapons, well, every item level really. There are too many crappy guns in every level.
Third thing and last thing for the moment, is cancelling Quests. Why couldn't they have added this option? Or the ability to abandon a quest once started?
Despite those flaws I am still enjoying the game and I know I will be playing it through again. So, overall happy I bought it, but, I don't think I would have been as happy if I paid full price for it.
I am level 27 now. The DLC is so long and the maps are huge, so I am going to be well over the level of the Main mission when I finally get back to it.
What are my thoughts at this stage? I am still playing it and it still has the same hold on me that BL2 had. Just one more level, just play until the next spawn point etc. And I don't notice time passing at all, I could sit down to play for an hour next thing two or three hours has gone by. So that's good. I do wish I had waited to do the DLC quest until I had finished the Main story line first.
However, the things I pointed out earlier are really annoying. Borderlands 2, for me, got the size of mobs perfect. Big bad dudes were big bad dudes. Giant Skags had presence and a sense of power and size. I don't get that same sense of "fear" from the mobs in BL3. Mobs are Tiny. Sometimes in heavy areas, I have to look hard for the bosses and/or the baddasses. Whereas in BL2, you knew, even in the busiest scenes who the baddest mobs were.
Second thing is loot. They went stupidly overboard. Increasing the variety is great, but, the sheer numbers of drops is silly. It has taken away the thrill of opening chests completely. It's gone the other way for me, now I hate finding chests, because it means juggling more loot and deciding between more weapons that are only slightly different than what you have. They have also ruined the legendary weapons, well, every item level really. There are too many crappy guns in every level.
Third thing and last thing for the moment, is cancelling Quests. Why couldn't they have added this option? Or the ability to abandon a quest once started?
Despite those flaws I am still enjoying the game and I know I will be playing it through again. So, overall happy I bought it, but, I don't think I would have been as happy if I paid full price for it.
Man of Honour
That's one positive thing about BL3 - three of the DLC are substantial content and not the usual "pay us silly amounts of real money for a few character outfits" that so much DLC is nowadays. Guns, Love and Tentacles(*), the casino one where Moxxi hires you to take over a casino Handsome Jack built and the Wild West one.
* Although there's the usual BL3 contempt for lore, continuity and pretty much everything else in it. Aurelia Hammerlock is (without any explanation) turned into a very stupid psychopathic moustache-twirling villain.
Soldato
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in fairness, she was one of handsome jack's cronies alongside wilhelm and nisha in bltps, although i never played her so don't know if she was supposed to have a conscience like Athena or not.
although granted there are plenty of other questionable character transformations.
in fairness that's the same as bl2- some actual dlc, and some pay for character skins that don't affect gameplay.
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I thought the 1st game was the best, played it straight 12 hours a day for around 100 hrs with friends until we completed it. The 2nd and 3rd games never quite had the same appeal.
I'm still loving this game i think a lot of the hate is a hangover hate from how bad the game was when it first came out but try it now with all the dlc its fantastic
what sexism ? and why would anyone care about sexism in a whacky game world ? none of the story has ever made sense
what sexism ? and why would anyone care about sexism in a whacky game world ? none of the story has ever made sense
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the sexism thing is puzzling me too, what sort of things are we talking about?
Man of Honour
Murdering a person solely because of their sex and doing so specifically by targetting their genitals. That's about as extreme as sexism gets and it's the whole point of one side mission. It's also referenced in some other missions, though to a far lesser extent.
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y'know i can't actually remember which mission you're meaning by that?
unless you mean the whole kyfe thing from gl&t? but that's an animal not a person.
Man of Honour
The mission involving Killavolt.
You might find it easier to see if you swap the targetting. Exactly the same thing, but targetting a group it's less fashionable to target.
Imagine a game in which a male NPC who's on the good side sends you to murder his ex-wife solely because she's entered the same field of business as him and has become more successful. She's also using the same smutty persona to front it as he does but isn't as experienced with it as him yet. So he sends you to murder her for being more successful than him and to do so very specifically by "shooting her in the pussy".
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huh, looked it up and turns out shooting him in the **** does indeed work. thats my new thing learned for the day.
tbh, i think you're putting way too much thought into that mission. i just shot him in the face till he died same as the hoardes of nameless bandits, robots, soldiers, wildlife (endangered or otherwise) and frankly anyone else who had a health bar in need of draining.
i mean we're talking about a video game series that at one point asks you to blow up the ocean, it's not meant to be taken seriously.
tbh, i think you're putting way too much thought into that mission. i just shot him in the face till he died same as the hoardes of nameless bandits, robots, soldiers, wildlife (endangered or otherwise) and frankly anyone else who had a health bar in need of draining.
i mean we're talking about a video game series that at one point asks you to blow up the ocean, it's not meant to be taken seriously.
Soldato
To be honest im not playing BL3 and thinking "Jesus there's a lot of women being ***** in this, we had Jack calling Moxii baloon **** at one point and scooter being all about sex so maybe it evens out? 
I'd be fine with that, mostly because of the 2nd and 3rd words there.
Man of Honour
To be honest im not playing BL3 and thinking "Jesus there's a lot of women being ***** in this, we had Jack calling Moxii baloon **** at one point and scooter being all about sex so maybe it evens out?
Is calling a woman "balloon ****" on a par with murdering her by shooting her in her genitals? Really?
Also, motivation matters. There's a huge difference between a "baddy" assigning the player a mission to murder someone for being the wrong sex and a "goody" doing so. The former is saying it's a bad thing, the latter is saying it's a good thing. There can be scope for more subtlety in some stories, but not in a Borderlands game because there is no subtlety in Borderlands games. Even the art style is a reflection of that - it's cartoonish.
Soldato
To be honest i feel you answered yourself, its cartoonish, the mission to shoot him in the **** just made me laugh, maybe im not looking at Borderlands in the way some people do, it seems to have sexism in equal measures? Yeah BL3 seams to be more feminine leaning but BL2 was totally a guy game so does it matter?
Man of Honour
What does that have to do with anything I've said? I haven't made any mention of that at all.
Now that you've brought it up, I'll address it. As usual, I think the key point is context and motive. If all the main characters are the same sex for a reason and their sex is portrayed as a very important thing and what makes them better, I'd have an objection to that. But that's not the case in the Borderlands games, so I don't. The sex of the main characters is irrelevant. I don't recall any example of it being referenced at all within the game, let alone portrayed as being of monumental importance.
EDIT: Do you really think that calling someone "balloon ****" is equal to murdering someone by shooting them in the genitals? You've argued that twice so far, but do you really mean it?