Brazilian Grand Prix 2012, São Paulo - Race 20/20

Sparky :(

I totally get where your coming from though. The hate bandwagon must be rammed to capacity. It was Hamilton last year, now it's Vettel, I wonder who it will be next?

No need to self inflict a ban though, I need you here to congratulate you on the triple double come Sunday night (having been the only person on here to congratulate you last weekend on the WCC).
 
Jesus, and all because earlier in the season people said something very simple, me included, that a couple DNF's for Alonso to keep the title race going till the last race or two... was automatically interpretted as wanted someone to crash and them to get injured.

Its funny because the people that keep bringing up crashes and death... is basically the same 1-2 people.

If people REALLY can't understand that at a time that Alonso had a monumental lead.... that people didn't want him to increase the gap, because that would mean a title over well before the end of the season..... people are intentionally misreading what people are saying, or simply stupid.

No one wanted Alonso injured, and I don't remember anyone saying they wanted Alonso taken out, just DNF's which can be for a variety of things.

Also lets get a grip, just about every single race weekend I can ever think of, there have been shunts and crashes, how often do drivers die as a result of a little wing contact and a puncture? Its a dangerous sport, several people who have died have done so as the result of failure, not contact, a crash in F1 isn't even close to linked to the idea of deaths. If there are 100 contacts every season, and no deaths in a decade, what does that say about crashes.

Not a single person here(except those willfully misinterpretting things) believes a crash automatically means a death, or an injury, so stop bringing it up and suggesting they are, its dumb.

Also Sparky, come on, for the love of god, do we really need another argument about why people think Alonso deserves it more, there is a CAR and there is a DRIVER, a driver is a person and the vast majority of seemingly the worlds population of racing fans, believe Alonso has been the superior driver.

The Red Bull CAR, and TEAM deserve it more than Ferrari.... Alonso deserves it more than Vettel.... the finger really doesn't help..... at all.

Personally I don't think Alonso has been brilliant this year, I don't think Vettel has been brilliant this year, I DON'T THINK HAMILITON has been brilliant this year. I think they've all had an absolutely excellent drive or two, I think by and large the wins have been a clear winning car that poles to win without issue, or someone who wins because the car infront failed. Theres been very few "epic" drives out of anyone, certainly no driver has put in 10+ epic drives throughout the season. I personally think Hamilton has been the best of them this year, in what could have been the best car but for reliability, I think Alonso has been in there whenever he could and I think Vettel has had the most consistently brilliant car and done very little in most races.

I don't undervalue not making mistakes and putting in a qualy lap and 50-70 laps without major incident... but epic/brilliant and simply whats expected are too often confused, certainly this year.
 
drunkenmaster, I think you may have missunderstood where Sparky is coming from... he works for Red Bull and has walked into a thread where almost everyone is wishing for Vettel to DNF or be taken out or basically to **** off. Given the monumental pressure that everyone at that team (and Ferrari for that matter) will be under I think you can understand why a forum of people willing someone to deliberately undo all their hard work might pee them off a bit.

He wasn't going on about the calls for Alonso DNFs earlier in the year. And besides, that bandwagon never really got started, the Alonso fans saw to that quite quickly. The Vettel bandwagon however seems to have 90% of the forum on it.
 
drunkenmaster, I think you may have missunderstood where Sparky is coming from... he works for Red Bull and has walked into a thread where almost everyone is wishing for Vettel to DNF or be taken out or basically to **** off. Given the monumental pressure that everyone at that team (and Ferrari for that matter) will be under I think you can understand why a forum of people willing someone to deliberately undo all their hard work might pee them off a bit.

He wasn't going on about the calls for Alonso DNFs earlier in the year. And besides, that bandwagon never really got started, the Alonso fans saw to that quite quickly. The Vettel bandwagon however seems to have 90% of the forum on it.

Not really, everyone is entitled to their own opinion imo

Also, if it was me I would do the opposite if i felt that strongly. Just laugh at the wishers when vettel won.

It amuses me how people wish one or more drivers dnfs, i do, its all part of the banter. Although it does get tedious when repeated.

Not many like vettel now, and its because the car is amazing and vettel is good. Schumacher was amazingly and the car was pretty close too in his day so although people hated him winning I'mtthinking most thought truthfully he deserved it.

For me I'm not bothered (and never have been) about the wdc, just the wcc
An average driver can win the wdc in an amazing car but an amazing driver cannot win in an average car.
For me f1 has always been about the team, not the driver, he only makes up the last few percent of the package. Which is well demonstrated by Hamilton not in the hunt and vettel poised to be crowned
 
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Seems the bans kicked in :(

Its a shame to see you go Sparky, its been great having you about. Hopefully we can meet up for a pint at Silverstone in the future. Good luck for this weekend, I hope you and Ferrari put on a dam good show.
 
They could pay someone like Grosjean or Maldonado to do it, and nobody would ever suspect anything dodgy was going on.

Just a normal grand prix :D:D

You know, normally when people come out with "get Massa to hit Vettel", I think to myself if this were to happen, the fine/penalty which McLaren got may be surpassed. Lest we not forget that this sort of thing has never happened in the last 2 decades (and probably longer). So, it would be pretty much unprecedented.

HOWEVER, if you got another team/driver to take out Vettel, especially a driver with a proven record of taking out drivers, it could be pulled off. Of course, this would have to be one of the deepest, darkest, most secretive F1 black ops, ever. And you don't want a snitch/blabber mouth like Nelson Piquet Jr*. That guy couldn't keep a secret if his life depended on it. ;)
 
Nice to see this weekend starting on a friendly note on here.

Hehehe.

Just remember, F1 threads are SERIOUS BUSINESS.

To be fair to Sparky, he has a right to treat this seriously, as this is his job/livelihood/occupation. So he has a vested interest in Vettel winning the title.


The only way I can see Alonso winning this is if Vettel gets a DNF. And lets not forget, it is entirely possible that Alonso is the one who gets the DNF.
 
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To be fair to Sparky, he has a right to treat this seriously, as this is his job/livelihood/occupation. So he has a vested interest in Vettel winning the title.
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Don't mix business and pleasure then. Easy enough to not say where and who he works for, I've managed it on these forums for what nearly 10 years now?
Posting on OcUK isn't mandatory, hope he has a good weekend though and enjoys Brazil.

Looking forward to a great end to the season, good to see the 2013 tyres out there.
 
Please come down from your high horse and get a grip! Even the most hardened hater of Vettel/Hamilton/Alonso would be absolutely horrified if they got injured in any way, much less killed like you suggest!!! To even bring up that point shows a complete lack of understanding or empathy with being a fan and cheering on your team or driver. Look how united the football world was when Muamba collapsed on the pitch and football is a much more tribal sport than F1.

Yes we like to joke about comedic situations like massa taking out Vettel etc because it is good fun and good banter to speculate on such things.. If push came to shove however 99% of people would HATE to see this happen... Also, lets not forget that such behaviour has been known to happen in F1... Besides, if a driver does decide to 'take out' a rival it is most likely to be done in a relatively 'safe' manner... See Schumacher on Hill and attempt on Villeneuve for examples!

I think you are the moron.

/agree
 

I hate doing this as a response to a thread usually but +2


I don't want anyone dead or injured. I just want them out of the race. I also can't believe I have ended up willing Fred to snatch this tomorrow, just so we don't have to see that bloody smug German and the finger. :)
 
I don't think that it is too much about vettel winning that is the problem people have, it is more that we can all remember five years of ferrari dominating everything, and how boring it was "I wonder what will happen in this race.. oh yeah, schuey will win by a country mile.. *yawn*".

I have nothing against vettel, for the most part he seems to be quite a nice chap, though the finger is annoying and his radio messages when he wins are equally so. I just don't believe that one team winning all the time, is good for the sport. Should alonso win instead? probably not, he can be about as much of a baby when he wants to, but for the sake of the fans, I think that it would be better in the long run.

When it comes to 'taking him out', the sensible thing to do, would be to pay off one of the drivers that we know are not going to be driving next year, a few million as a going away gift, in return for a little getting in the way, a slight wobble on the wrong corner, it would all work, those endplates are sharp you know.

Does vettel deserve a third title.. yes, I believe that he does, just not this year.
 
Sad to see Sparky go :(

Red Bull have done amazingly well to sew up 3 WCCs on the trot, and it looks like a 3rd WDC too. You have to respect that.

At this point I just hope the final race is a good one. If Alonso can pull it off, good luck to him.. If Vettel romps home from 1st unchallenged then you can't deny him respect.

Personally, I'm wishing for Brazil 2008 today. An exciting race up to the last corner of the last lap :)
 
Very sad to see Sparky go, he was obviously a little biased (who wouldnt be in the same position) but he had a lot of inciteful information that will definitely be missed

Have to say I think it got a little exaggerated, and thank god f1 is a lot safer now than it was. Of course motorsport in general and F1 in particular is dangerous , but imo its fantastic that so few major incidents (ie injuries) happen these days. I believe Im right that the last major injury was Massa in 2009.

There may be huge crashes a lot of weekends, but fortunately drivers usually walk away with barely a scratch. F1 is all the better for this (and respect to the late Sid Watkins for so much tireless work into this, as well as all the other people who continue to work in this area of the sport).

I have to admit I get tired of people coming into every footy thread and ONLY posting that they hope Utd lose, so I can see Sparky's point - but also comparing it to an injury / death is too much (as this is highly unlikely to happen). No one at all would be cheering if anything like that happened - look at the outpouring of sympathy for Robert Kubika with his injured wrist while rallying - so the outpouring of genuine heartfelt emotion for him was good to see. That wasnt even a fatality either (although admittedly, the nationality and genuine likability of the two are hard to compare)

It is unfortunate that two of the most successful drivers recently have been German, its just another reason for English people in general to hate them lol

I don't want anyone dead or injured. I just want them out of the race. I also can't believe I have ended up willing Fred to snatch this tomorrow, just so we don't have to see that bloody smug German and the finger. :)

Exactly
 
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Nice to see this weekend starting on a friendly note on here.

Can't really say that I blame him for having had enough.

Agree.

There just seems to be the usual typical rubbish in these threads now, carry on the "let's all bait each other" and not have a good discussion about F1.

I stopped posting in these threads back in the summer, not sure why I came back. Such a shame people have to behave like this.

Back to watching the classic F1 races on the red button.
 
Can't really say that I blame him for having had enough.

Indeed, tough coming on a forum where most want Vettel to lose the WDC, remembering that Sparky isn't just a fan, it is his job and career as well.
 
See this i dont understand either. Alonso according to this forum is the most deserving champion, yet needs Vettel to DNF to become so.


Lets think back to the races where rb had a hole in their floor and it was made illegal or when the FIA caught rb cheating ;)

You sure you're not vimto? you cry and winge like him\her.

Come on Alonso..vimto DNF
 
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