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Brazilian Grand Prix 2012, São Paulo - Race 20/20
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He left on a high previously, now he left as a bit of a clown.
That's if he bothers to turn up before hand.
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1...ttel-overtake-was-made-under-yellow-red-flags
The Sky footage for any BBC viewers that didn't see it, the confirmation from the FIA about it being a red and yellow flag even though it looked yellow on the onboard footage, and some nice examples of the sort of comments this has generated. All in one handy package.
The Sky footage for any BBC viewers that didn't see it, the confirmation from the FIA about it being a red and yellow flag even though it looked yellow on the onboard footage, and some nice examples of the sort of comments this has generated. All in one handy package.
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Journeyman button won again 
I did think it was wrong how nearly all the teams seemed to move over for Fettel. It takes the shine off a great drive by him. Although, those marker boards looked flashing solid yellow to me, so I don't understand the lack of penalty.
Congratulations on your 3rd world title(s)
Hamilton robbed. Again.
I did think it was wrong how nearly all the teams seemed to move over for Fettel. It takes the shine off a great drive by him. Although, those marker boards looked flashing solid yellow to me, so I don't understand the lack of penalty.
Congratulations on your 3rd world title(s)
Hamilton robbed. Again.
That 2012 pic is hilarious.
Its similar to the Naked 33 and third (when the lady slaps him with her 3rd hand) - where did the 3rd hand come from?
What?...Hulkenburg was overtaking Hamilton
Lewis didnt push at all he just stayed behind the Caterham and gave Hulk loads of room on the inside. I cannot see how this was Lewis's fault in anyway?
As indicated in previous post, he could have dropped back on the already tricky corner and fought in the DRS zone that was coming up
It was a pretty predictable accident in the conditions
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This is really getting embarrassing, you're having a go at Hamilton(because he's not Button) for not dropping back and costing himself the race, when the very thing he did, is what you are saying he didn't do.
When do you think he should have backed off, 7 corners before, assuming half way around the lap Hulk was going to overtake him, or you know, when Hulk overtook him?
Did you see Schumi and Kimi go around BOTH corners wheel to wheel, that was brilliant driving, not backing off, for Hamilton would have meant wheel to wheel... Hamilton DID concede the move he took the wide line, no where near the racing line, let Hulk have the corner and had the 3rd slowest car on track, and he was keeping back from him. That means he was going slower than the 3rd slowest car through that corner..... there is simply no other possibility than he wasn't going fast, he wasn't taking the corner flat out, he wasn't fighting Hulkenberg and he had no where to go.
Much like the twits who decided Hamilton could have just slammed on the brakes or driven onto the grass with two tyres(losing traction when he needed to brake for the corner) when Grosjean decided Hamilton shouldn't be on the track anymore, what you seem to be suggesting is that he needed to slow down more... that being far slower than normal through the corner as he already was, which would require jamming on the brakes, locking all his tyres, and going off... you think the way to safely avoid an idiot who overcooked it into the corner, which Hamilton couldn't know until the car was out of control, when it was too late, was to throw himself off the track the other way and ruin his tyres on the assumption Hulk wouldn't make the corner?
There is almost no other driver out there that would do what you suggest. The only ones who wouldn't do what Hamilton did, would be Grosjean, Maldonado and last years Massa, oh, and Vettel, who randomly decide to cut into corners and smash into cars alongside them, normal drivers would take the corner wide, slow, safe and let the car have the move, he did this.
You keep saying he was pushing, yet he was following almost the slowest car out on track.... by the very definition had Hamilton been "pushing" he would have rammed into the back of the slow ass car infront of him, he didn't, so he wasn't.
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He WAS pushing because he was trying to stay in the lead of the race
He could easily have dropped back SLIGHTLY after the start finish line (knowing how tricky the 1st corner is) - following Hulk through the corner and attacked him in the DRS zone , which more than likely he would have been able to use to his advantage (being less than 1s behind) and swept past him on a much easier part of the track
As I originally said, its a fine line - but he is meant to be one of the best in the world and he doesnt learn from these mistakes.
Fine he wasnt in the championship hunt, so it doesnt make that big a difference, but it was a mistake which could have been avoided - given the conditions on track.
FYI - Im calling it like I see it, its got nothing to do with it not being JB (I was critical of JB knocking his front wing off on a back marker earlier in the season)
edit nothing the FIA would be able to do about it, but MSC giving Vettel a higher points scoring position left a bitter taste in my mouth. Undoubtedly SV would have probably got passed anyway, but the fact MSC pulled right over to the damp part of the track without fighting wasnt the greatest thing to see in an otherwise entertaining race.
He could easily have dropped back SLIGHTLY after the start finish line (knowing how tricky the 1st corner is) - following Hulk through the corner and attacked him in the DRS zone , which more than likely he would have been able to use to his advantage (being less than 1s behind) and swept past him on a much easier part of the track
As I originally said, its a fine line - but he is meant to be one of the best in the world and he doesnt learn from these mistakes.
Fine he wasnt in the championship hunt, so it doesnt make that big a difference, but it was a mistake which could have been avoided - given the conditions on track.
FYI - Im calling it like I see it, its got nothing to do with it not being JB (I was critical of JB knocking his front wing off on a back marker earlier in the season)
edit nothing the FIA would be able to do about it, but MSC giving Vettel a higher points scoring position left a bitter taste in my mouth. Undoubtedly SV would have probably got passed anyway, but the fact MSC pulled right over to the damp part of the track without fighting wasnt the greatest thing to see in an otherwise entertaining race.
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I assume you are blind, and were listening to an audio description of the race for the hard of sight?
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Hamilton was comfortably ahead of Hulk, it was only because of the back markers that Hulk got close enough to make a move.
Hulk locked up and hit Hamilton, and Hamilton neared rear ended the Caterham, who was crawling around turn 1, I'd call it a racing incident. How can you suggest he slow down and leave someone past?
Hulk locked up and hit Hamilton, and Hamilton neared rear ended the Caterham, who was crawling around turn 1, I'd call it a racing incident. How can you suggest he slow down and leave someone past?
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TBH, it's easy to pin the blame on Hamilton. It was obvious there was going to be an accident at some point, somewhere on the track, possibly around his car.
He should have retired on lap 1 to stay safe, and avoid these needless collisions...
Edit: Given that this is an F1 thread, I better point out... Yes, it is sarcasm... :|
He should have retired on lap 1 to stay safe, and avoid these needless collisions...
Edit: Given that this is an F1 thread, I better point out... Yes, it is sarcasm... :|
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Hamilton was comfortably ahead of Hulk, it was only because of the back markers that Hulk got close enough to make a move.
Hulk locked up and hit Hamilton, and Hamilton neared rear ended the Caterham, who was crawling around turn 1, I'd call it a racing incident. How can you suggest he slow down and leave someone past?
Same really, crash was unlikely to happen had Hulk not lost control. It's just unfortunate he did.
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I'm not saying it was Grosjean's fault, but it was definitely Grosjean's fault.
It seems off that Hulkenberg got a drive through for, at the very worst, being a bit too brave going into a corner carrying too much speed when there wasn't even an investigation of the Vettel/Senna incident, which looked very much as if Senna had the racing line.