Poll: Brazilian Grand Prix 2021, São Paulo - Race 19

Rate the 2021 Brazilian Grand Prix out of ten


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I don't think I've ever heard anyone express excitement about the sports personality awards!
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EDIT: Sidenote, I almost made the mistake of telling my mum we'd come to hers on the weekend of the 12th Dec but my other half realised in the nick of time it's the last race. Is there a race calendar out there with times in GMT? Sorry being lazy, I can never work the official F1 site it's awful! Need to make sure I'm not booking any social events over these last 3 races!
 

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:p

EDIT: Sidenote, I almost made the mistake of telling my mum we'd come to hers on the weekend of the 12th Dec but my other half realised in the nick of time it's the last race. Is there a race calendar out there with times in GMT? Sorry being lazy, I can never work the official F1 site it's awful! Need to make sure I'm not booking any social events over these last 3 races!
Try this: https://calendar.google.com/calenda...zQyb2VlaWtAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ
 
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I liked Vettel's comments over the radio in Parc-Fermé after the race yesterday:

Vettel: I'm going to touch Hamilton's rear wing.

Tim Wright: Don't, it's very expensive.

Vettel: I'm joking… I'll try the front wing, maybe it's only 25 grand.

:D
 
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:p

EDIT: Sidenote, I almost made the mistake of telling my mum we'd come to hers on the weekend of the 12th Dec but my other half realised in the nick of time it's the last race. Is there a race calendar out there with times in GMT? Sorry being lazy, I can never work the official F1 site it's awful! Need to make sure I'm not booking any social events over these last 3 races!


F1 website! : https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2021.html

Click Sync Calendar in the top right.
 
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I liked Vettel's comments over the radio in Parc-Fermé after the race yesterday:

Vettel: I'm going to touch Hamilton's rear wing.

Tim Wright: Don't, it's very expensive.

Vettel: I'm joking… I'll try the front wing, maybe it's only 25 grand.

:D

I would miss Seb if he retired unexpectedly...

Anyone get Max's comment in relation to being given the Black and White flag for weaving? ;)
 
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14 points in it now right?

I think this title could come down to fastest laps. Imagine that. Lewis wins the next three races. Max is second but picked up a fastest lap in one of them making them equal on points. In the third race Lewis is has fastest lap, but Perez pits for soft tyres for a fastest lap run two laps from the end.

Not sure what the outcome is then on countbacks. Both would have 9 wins. I haven't looked at finishes further down the road.

I think your maths might be a bit wonky?

There's 7 points between first and second, so if Hamilton wins the remaining 3 he'll gain 21 points over Verstappen, even if Verstappen gets fastest lap that's 18 points and a clear win.

We could go into the last race tied though, if Hamilton wins the next two and neither get fastest lap (quite possible given Perez/Bottas are likely to steal it) it'll setup quite a nice showdown :D
 
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Just because it's not consistent with previous rulings doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do, as long as they stick to it going forward. As far as I know Max is the first driver to get fined for touching another car but I still think it was the right decision (though maybe a bit steep) and hope going forward they dish out the same fine to anyone that does it.

I think the goalposts for my original comment are being moved here...

I've not said it wasn't the right thing to do, my comments in another post were that a fine was fair and proportionate and I would like to see it applied on all occasions where safety rules are broken. It's been applied inconsistently by the FIA and that is what I would like to see change, much like you've agreed, with your comments about drivers being fined in future for touching competitors cars.
 
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I think the goalposts for my original comment are being moved here...

I've not said it wasn't the right thing to do, my comments in another post were that a fine was fair and proportionate and I would like to see it applied on all occasions where safety rules are broken. It's been applied inconsistently by the FIA and that is what I would like to see change, much like you've agreed, with your comments about drivers being fined in future for touching competitors cars.

Sorry missed your earlier post.
 
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Oh god.. It's Di Resta.

Let's see how he gets the digs in at Hamilton and Mercedes this time...

Ah someone else noticed then how much of a bias that guy has. It's really becoming less of a thing to have professional pundits these days throughout sport generally. The new norm seems not to hold back on your personal preferences towards teams and individuals. We see it with football as well. You can clearly tell the pros from the riff raff. Whilst I like some of the things they have said in the past and their personalities, you can clearly tell the bias in people like Webber, Di Resta, Coulthard etc. I was actually pleasantly surprised how well Rosberg spoke fairly when he has been on given his past Schumacher like behaviour to win at any cost.

Speaking of which, perhaps Max will be looked back on in years to come as another Schumacher. Massively fast, but would cheat to win. I think a lot of drivers grow up to behave in this way as to some extent the line between pushing yourself to win however possible vs fairly is very fine to go far in the sport.

But then you look at Hamilton.... he is the GOAT, yet one of the cleanest driving champions you will ever see so it doesn't need to be this way.


I highly doubt it now Honda have pulled out. Plus major rule changes you might as well put your hand in a hat to guess who will be top. You have just as much chance Mclaren and Ferrari being at the top as you do RB and Mercedes.

I read that Redbull have bought all the rights and legalities to keep all the engine development stuff and will continue to produce their own version of it. I also read in some article that the reason theirs does not wear like the Mercs is due to a specialist oil that Honda and Redbull had produced to work in unison with their engines to prevent as much deg. Not sure how true that is.

They don't need the camera as they have the telemetry from the steering wheel angles in relation to the cars position on the track, and much more. Look Lewis won, he had the fastest car by some 20kph so it was inevitable he would overtake everyone in front of him. It was only Max who put up a 'spirited' defence, all others just threw in the towel so just let them race and forget the media politics..

No. No way. This weekend was a major, major statement from the FIA. It has massive implications and can not be let go just because Lewis did end up eventually winning. Remember in the stewards and FIA's own words, they have to look at each incident literally and not base it on any outcome. If rules are rules - you know, like the 0.2mm ruthless rear wing saga - then the rules need to be applied also to Max when he drives dirty deliberately. A dangerous president is set each time the FIA fail to punish dangerous and deliverate dirty driving like that. He should be penalised.

Christian coming on the live radio telling them it's all about letting them race was possibly the cringiest moment of the entire weekend. They like to get the first word in to try to use their power to help bully the FIA and stewards and minipulate their decisions. Such radio messaging should be banned as they are using it as a public platform to air their views of live incidents which can affect the outcome. This should be banned from happening. All teams should be banned from abusing that.

The weaving and aggressive, dirty driving by Max, and the behaviour and interviews by CH just sumup Redbull in a nutshell. A toxic team. CH constantly tries to play down Merc winning by saying they expected it. Can't stand the weasel.

When Hamilton overtook him finally it was a very sweet moment. If he wins the remaining three races, it doesn't matter if Max gets second with fastest laps. Hamilton wins. Bring. It. On.
 
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When Hamilton overtook him finally it was a very sweet moment. If he wins the remaining three races, it doesn't matter if Max gets second with fastest laps. Hamilton wins. Bring. It. On.
No doubt it would be sweet, I have a massive worry that because he keeps failing to be punished for dangerous driving, max will go all out to take Lewis out in one of the last 3 races to ensure he just needs a 2nd place in the other 2 races
 
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The weaving and aggressive, dirty driving by Max, and the behaviour and interviews by CH just sumup Redbull in a nutshell. A toxic team. CH constantly tries to play down Merc winning by saying they expected it. Can't stand the weasel.

When Hamilton overtook him finally it was a very sweet moment. If he wins the remaining three races, it doesn't matter if Max gets second with fastest laps. Hamilton wins. Bring. It. On.

I despise Horner.. and if I met him in an alley I would tell him to his face ;) I know Merc and Lewis are not perfect but RBR & Max are going as low and dirty as they can. Maybe they are worried their car next year will suck and getting Max one WDC might keep him there a bit longer?

Seb has all the makings of an accomplished after dinner speaker. I wouldn't object to him joining the Top Gear team to be honest, I reckon he would be a right laugh on that.

Oh yeah he loves his Monty Python too. Very funny and decent guy, despite earlier Multi 21 behaviours
 
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No doubt it would be sweet, I have a massive worry that because he keeps failing to be punished for dangerous driving, max will go all out to take Lewis out in one of the last 3 races to ensure he just needs a 2nd place in the other 2 races

This is a major talking point actually. In champs gone by, we have seen this happen because again, they cannot punish based on the outcome so the "act" occurs and any penalty becomes irrelevant instantly. I don't think they have anything in place to stop that happening do they? i.e. Actual championship points reduction to mitigate it? I mean how many would you even take? Any calculation kind of has to take into account the "outcome" which goes against the grain.
 
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No doubt it would be sweet, I have a massive worry that because he keeps failing to be punished for dangerous driving, max will go all out to take Lewis out in one of the last 3 races to ensure he just needs a 2nd place in the other 2 races
I am actually quite worried by this. Mad Max is now essentially free to run people off the road. Of course he'll do it again. In his mind, why wouldn't he do it again to Hamilton. "Oh Hamilton's waaaay faster at this circuit, neverminds I'll just wait for him to try and overtake and blammo!". It could get really nasty.
This is a major talking point actually. In champs gone by, we have seen this happen because again, they cannot punish based on the outcome so the "act" occurs and any penalty becomes irrelevant instantly. I don't think they have anything in place to stop that happening do they? i.e. Actual championship points reduction to mitigate it? I mean how many would you even take? Any calculation kind of has to take into account the "outcome" which goes against the grain.
I need mroe education on it but didn't Schumacher have all of his points taken off of him for a single incident where he attempted to do exactly what we're talking about - drive his competitor off the road because he already had the points advantage to win the championship.
 
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