Would mean Hamilton would be on top by 7 points if Max finished second in them all.
Poll: Brazilian Grand Prix 2021, São Paulo - Race 19
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Would mean Hamilton would be on top by 7 points if Max finished second in them all.
Most people seem in agreement that (1) the stewards probably didn't review much information at all seen as they didn't actually investigate the incident, merely dismissed it. And (2) sources seem to suggest the footage would have to be downloaded from the car (which I personally disagree with but hey) so again - it means it's new information for the stewards to see.
Well, DRS until he starts weaving across the track in a dangerous manner again
I don't use Twitter, but the official F1 channel on Instagram was funny when they posted the highlight video of the incident. Literally every comment was "show us the Max onboard camera"
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I think your maths might be a bit wonky?
There's 7 points between first and second, so if Hamilton wins the remaining 3 he'll gain 21 points over Verstappen, even if Verstappen gets fastest lap that's 18 points and a clear win.
We could go into the last race tied though, if Hamilton wins the next two and neither get fastest lap (quite possible given Perez/Bottas are likely to steal it) it'll setup quite a nice showdown
Doh. I was thinking 25 for a win and 20 for second like MotoGP.
I'm from the days of 10 6 4 etc...
Soldato
They aren't going to review a racing incident now that wouldn't affect the win without clear evidence which contradicted the original decision not to investigate.
Red Bull could easily argue now that they backed off to secure second after Hamilton overtook and the investigation didn't materialise, so a suspended penalty was all they could realistically give even if evidence suggested it was deliberate.
Perhaps the F1 do have Verstappen's video, and the stewards saw it at the time, but it's going to be kept back for Drive to Survive... they'll have a field day over the events over these triple headers.
But all that controversy was F1 circus politics. Not saying he is forgiven but that is the only thing people can knock Hamilton for... off the track stuff. On track Hamilton is king and lets the driving do the talking in a clean manner most of the time. Being a 7 time world champ and in F1 for as long as he has been near the top, of course there are going to be controversies, but with Max he is still much newer to it and already consistently finds himself among the heart of controversial on track driving incidents week in week out. There is a clear pattern to him in his chase to a title and people don't like to see that. It's like when Rosberg won... it felt les deserved due to all the cheating and Max style moves he put on Hamilton. If Max wins the title it will feel less deserved to me due to this.
Soldato
It is largely now, but wasn't always the case, which was my point.
Even now he sometimes puts it in the hands of another driver whether to have a crash or not (see the first lap at COTA) and he did it repeatedly with Rosberg.
Don't try to apply the squeaky clean thing with Hamilton - he's matured massively since Rosberg left and is usually clean and fair, but he's been the aggressive hard charging driver who resorted to less savoury tactics too. He and Verstappen haven't been that different (not saying they are now).
Point taken. Hamilton totally pushed to the limit of hard and fair like any champ has. But Max has taken it beyond many a time and typically just does not yield...like at all. He'd rather have contact.
Hamilton's would typically look similar by way of being forced onto the same very wide line that Max forced him onto but they will see that Hamilton had slowed the car enough to turn in at a reasonable point and that Max turned in less than usual, or turned in but then straightened out.
Max took that line out of choice and deliberate inputs to the car. Hamilton took a line to avoid a crash. That's unacceptable that this keeps having to be the way both of them are able to finish a race. It's a one way street.
Soldato
Each have been penalised for hitting the other once this season and both have the same number of penalty points currently - two.
I do think Verstappen was a bit over the line yesterday though, but until I get to see Verstappen's onboard I think he made a genuine attempt and just went in hot and I expect that's what the stewards thought too - I'm certain he wouldn't have got away with it had he done it again. I thought at the time the sensible thing would have been to let Hamilton through (to avoid having a 5 second penalty and potentially falling behind Bottas too), but that's easy to say when you're sat on your sofa.
Still, the right driver won on the day. It might have been a different matter had Verstappen managed to keep Hamilton behind.
Remember Verstappen might be able to afford contact this season but Hamilton, playing catch-up can't. I'm not saying Verstappen is going to take Hamilton out at any stage (and he's had ample opportunity to do so) but if they come together in a pure wheel-to-wheel battle he can afford to be that little bit more aggressive.
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I disagree. Those drivers were good at positioning their car in the best possible place to prevent an overtake (weaving was permitted in the Mansell days) but they didn't run the other driver off the track every time someone pulled a move on them.
Soldato
Misleading the stewards of the meeting in order to get a competitor handed a time penalty - which, remember, you can't appeal against - is "F1 circus politics"???
The point stands that people go after Hamilton about things other than dirty driving. Against Max it is not a fair competition anymore since Hamilton has to alter his approach to account for the situation. He is more likely to take damage or get run off the road. No driver has ever had such immunity in this F1 era to taking penalties for driving in the way Max does. This is not a fair playing field.
I think how it works is that race control choose whether to refer an incident to the stewards, which in this case they did not, so the stewards wouldn't have looked at anything. Could be wrong on that though.
The footage would have to be downloaded from the car if the front camera was not transmitting - All cameras are not transmitting at all times due to bandwidth limitations. Whether they can download during the session now I'm not sure but I doubt it because the data link between the broadcast facility and the car is not very wide.
What a weekend and lots of talking points. I'm somewhat surprised Max wasn't penalised for running Lewis (and himself) off the track. However what I'm absolutely flabbergasted by is Lewis was disqualified from qualifying. I don't even know where to start with that.
I disagree. Paul di Resta was saying at the time that they were watching Max's onboard until it cut away just before the incident/corner. How does a TV director pick his shot if they're not all transmitting to his vision mixer?
I'll repeat what I said earlier, my experience tells me that (1) the cameras are transmitting all the time, and (2) because of this, they will be recorded/backup-up somewhere outside of the car (i.e. not just on the camera itself). Also (3) Paul di Resta said they'd have to wait for the footage to be downloaded from the camera. So if I'm wrong about number 2 then at the very least we should have had that local footage retrieved by now. Therefore I am strongly of the opinion that the whole thing stinks.
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Hopefully we eventually get to see the footage like we did in 2012 when everyone was absolutely adamant Vettel passed under a yellow flag and the title should've been awarded to Alonso instead. We even had people posting screenshots of him passing under a yellow flag and accusations of the FIA favouring Vettel over Alonso. All stopped the second an onboard video was released showing Vettel clearly pass under a green flag.
Anyone heard any comment from Mercedes/Hamilton about them putting on a different set of tyres than he requested on his second pit stop? He moaned about it on team radio but not heard anything since, but I didn't watch the interviews etc after the race. Just wondering if it is one of those situations where in hindsight he will concede they may have made the correct call by giving him a harder tyre that would last to the end of the race despite him pushing a bit, or if he's still annoyed at not getting a medium.
This is assuming of course it wasn't some elaborate chirade for team radio to try and confuse RB.
This is assuming of course it wasn't some elaborate chirade for team radio to try and confuse RB.
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