Soldato
As Toto said the diplomacy is over. I think it's about time does lawyer money come under the budget cap?
Poll: Brazilian Grand Prix 2021, São Paulo - Race 19
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Do they do retrospective time penalties? or is worst case for Max a 3 place grid penalty?
I can see why they are doing it but does this camera angle really tell us anything different or new. He never looked like making the corner from any angle
I can see why they are doing it but does this camera angle really tell us anything different or new. He never looked like making the corner from any angle
Caporegime
Section 38.3 of the Sporting Regulations (not to be confused with the Sporting Code) says:
If any of the four penalties above are imposed during the last three laps, or after the end of a
race, Article 38.4(b) below will not apply and five seconds will be added to the elapsed race time
of the driver concerned in the case of (a) above, 10 seconds in the case of (b), 20 seconds in the
case of (c) and 30 seconds in the case of (d).
race, Article 38.4(b) below will not apply and five seconds will be added to the elapsed race time
of the driver concerned in the case of (a) above, 10 seconds in the case of (b), 20 seconds in the
case of (c) and 30 seconds in the case of (d).
(The four penalties referred to are (a) 5s, (b) 10s, (c) drive through, and (d) drive through + 10s stop)
Soldato
Just seen the vid, sigh, he just drives on such a line that Lewis has no room, it is obviously deliberate, he's probably got a hang up about monza where he thought Lewis should have given room.
He went off track to make sure. Bit of a dodgy chap if you ask me. Needs some reality.
He went off track to make sure. Bit of a dodgy chap if you ask me. Needs some reality.
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Well as we all expected Max barely bothers to even make the corner. Poor they made the decision without seeing the footage.
They'll add 5 seconds to tick a box which will make no difference to the outcome.
He uses the same steering angle going into T4 as he does going into T5. Hilarious when you consider the difference in angle between the two corners. Good on Mercedes for challenging this nonsense.
They'll add 5 seconds to tick a box which will make no difference to the outcome.
He uses the same steering angle going into T4 as he does going into T5. Hilarious when you consider the difference in angle between the two corners. Good on Mercedes for challenging this nonsense.
Soldato
5 seconds puts him behind Bottas.
Except it'll drop Max points...
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Didn't realise Bottas had closed to less than 5s.
In that case the FIA will defer their decision and decide after the championship
It's hard to imagine them altering the race result at this late stage. You can almost guarantee that RB will lodge a protest against the Mercedes rear wing in a tit for tat move.
In that case the FIA will defer their decision and decide after the championship
It's hard to imagine them altering the race result at this late stage. You can almost guarantee that RB will lodge a protest against the Mercedes rear wing in a tit for tat move.
It would be so hilarious if they did this and then Max loses by a point or two.
Lost the championship due to his own shoddy race craft/attempt to cheat.
Redbull will say Max backed off as a result of it not being dealt with in the race and hence why he was so far back and within 5 seconds of Bottas (which is BS obviously). The thing is this is new evidence because they made this decision without this onboard footage so Merc are completely entitled to lodge a complaint. This is a textbook definition of where new evidence comes to light as the stewards even made it clear that they made the "no investigation necessary" decision without the on board. Nothing will come of it, but it's the right thing to do for many reasons.
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It's probably true but also irrelevant, plus Merc can equally argue that Bottas backed off because he knew he wouldn't catch and pass Max. That's why post-race time penalties are a problem; the presence or absence of penalties changes the behaviour of drivers.
Soldato
Tbf, the more important thing is perhaps the precedence, as someone mentioned. If nothing is done, you're open for it to happen again. If there's a penalty, even if it doesn't effect this race, it's still important for future races.
You answered your own question, its the Schumacher era again.
To me its not clear it was deliberate, however it should have fell foul from gaining an advantage by not making the corner.
Agree, the problem as I see it, if this is allowed to stand uncontested, then Max keeps doing it again and again and gets away with it.
Caporegime
The rules actually specify that it doesn't matter whether something is deliberate or not (presumably because judging intent is an absolute quagmire). For me, it was a much more clear cut incident that others that have been penalised in the past, but I don't see how the onboard changes anything about it: that was obvious from the various other angles.
Yeah its still a slam dunk to me, I was just giving an opinion on if max was pushing him off deliberately.
Max has got away with a lot this year, he has been aggressive against LeClerc recently as well.
I am also not sure why teams are allowed to lobby whilst an investigation is pending as well. The rules I think need changing on that, Red Bull were playing politics by saying it should be let got for the racing entertainment.
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