**British Armed Forces Discussion Thread**

It's the marking time for 2 years that gets me. Something to counter the leap frogging apparently? I didn't quite understand that complaint but I heard one main concern was that people were getting promoted and then leap frogging pay for people with seniority to them.

It seems people have to be careful what they wish for/whinge about. Just look at what pay as you dine did to the quality of the mess, they should never have changed that.

I guess the main take away is that, given all the military cuts, the NEM could have been worse. At least there are no pay cuts, just lower potential earrings :/ I think my pay goes up on the new model, but then the next few tiers I learn less than I would have on the current scheme. Thanks MOD.
 
It's the marking time for 2 years that gets me. Something to counter the leap frogging apparently? I didn't quite understand that complaint but I heard one main concern was that people were getting promoted and then leap frogging pay for people with seniority to them.

It seems people have to be careful what they wish for/whinge about. Just look at what pay as you dine did to the quality of the mess, they should never have changed that.

I guess the main take away is that, given all the military cuts, the NEM could have been worse. At least there are no pay cuts, just lower potential earrings :/ I think my pay goes up on the new model, but then the next few tiers I learn less than I would have on the current scheme. Thanks MOD.

Well people not getting picked up and getting leapfrogged is part and parcel, either in some cases they dont get picked up because theyre just not eligible or in others the system is broken and people get picked up when they shouldnt and vice versa. None of that should be reasoning for who earns more.

We should indeed be careful, but this has been mis-sold I feel. Theres now a bunch of guys and girls in TG1 at their 5 year point who had looked at the scales and worked out that at their 9 year point they would be earning 29.8k, but by the time they get to that they are now only eligible for 28.7k. I know it doesn't sound a lot in theory but realistically they are taking a long term pay cut, especially as I bet we all know a couple of SAC's suitable for promotion that have just lucked out on the lottery.

Lets not even mention the armourers who will all be losing out across the board, especially their Chief Techs. As for me I'm now running the risk of stagnating at lvl 5 for my rank, which is 2k short of the guys who are lvl 7 Cpl currently.

And we ALL said PAYD was a bad idea, I've yet to meet a person who wanted it. They trialled it, people hated it, they brought it in anyway.

The way I see it is we were never going to expect wonders, but this is really disappointing. Its great if you're a stacker, driver or adminner as they're getting a decent increase but this has made my trade even less competitive with civvy street, which was winning anyway.
 
Nah man, if you've got it as a reference, I can trust what your saying. Thanks



don't forget the actual amount of work you have to do :D. I'd escape if I got tired of the travel or got sent to a horrendous position but barring that, I'll stick with it as it is.

Ha, yes this is true! Though currently, I don't think I've worked so much. It isn't normal though....

I noticed the only change to officers is that OF1 starts at a higher salary. ****ing *****.

Don't forget the higher ranks too, which seem to get less cuts than the lower ranks. You know where the less money, but higher amount of people are.

Joke, no idea how they've came to this conclusion.
 
From my understanding SAC(T)'s of the non armourer variety. (Ouch ;)) Will only get to level OR2-8 of the new Supp 3 pay band which is 27393.

SAC(T) Pay band levels are only 2-7 and 2-8 according to the NEM document.

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Level 9 is only for trades without the SAC(T) rank. How the hell they can justify a higher pay band for a normal SAC over an SAC(T) or LCpl with more responsibility I don't know.

So guys will leave Cosford on 26103, get a pay rise to 27393 a year later and then stay there until promotion.

I was also briefed that current pay 2000 level 9 SAC(T)'s like myself, have 3 years from April to get promoted or we drop to level 8 Supp 3 to 27393.

Not sure how the RAF can do that legally mind you...
 
I was also briefed that current pay 2000 level 9 SAC(T)'s like myself, have 3 years from April to get promoted or we drop to level 8 Supp 3 to 27393.

Not sure how the RAF can do that legally mind you...

Level 9 ICT and armourer SAC(T)'s will lose and have lost a lot more than you. Their promotion to Cpl is worth less than £100 a year. If they don't get promoted in the next 3 years then they will take a near 4k pay cut. They have been well and truly shafted.

The ICT guys are also in a lower pay group than the NAVY comms techs who do almost exactly the same job.
 
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Level 9 ICT and armourer SAC(T)'s will lose and have lost a lot more than you. Their promotion to Cpl is worth less than £100 a year. If they don't get promoted in the next 3 years then they will take a near 4k pay cut. They have been well and truly shafted.

The ICT guys are also in a lower pay group than the NAVY comms techs who do almost exactly the same job.

Ouch, that is pretty bad.

There are a few different trades of the same thing across the forces which are split among different supplements.

Promotion to Cpl isn't worth it for a lot of people anymore. An extra few pounds a month for myself for all the extra **** and responsibility of the second sig isn't worth it.
 
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Less than £100 a year for promotion really is laughable.

I have no idea why anyone would stay unless they really enjoy the job...but with lack of manpower, almost non-existent promotion, increased det turnaround, an increased workload and the ridiculous new pay/pension schemes how can anyone still enjoy it?
 
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The jump to Cpl is £2k/yr? I don't understand where you're getting £100 from? Unless you're in a trade that has been bumped down to supp 2 and you're already maxed out on lvl 9 SAC high pay band?
 
The jump to Cpl is £2k/yr? I don't understand where you're getting £100 from? Unless you're in a trade that has been bumped down to supp 2 and you're already maxed out on lvl 9 SAC high pay band?

Thats exactly the reason, both arm and IT sac's are having to do this. Oh and medics too I think.
 
Only realised the (T) no T level thing today as well as all the other stuff

Basically most tech trades have been told to do one with NEM. Makes a mockery of the 2 years of being told the opposite and all the fluff they've pumped out since then and now.
 
It's a bit defeatist to just consider you're only earning £100 more. If you're on a projection upwards then Sgt will come soon enough after. It does suck for Armourers being on a lower spine than their Techy counterparts, it doesn't seem fair. That said, every Armourer I've ever met has told me how their job is the best/most important/gods trade etc. So I guess they have a good argument as to why they shouldn't be on just Supp 2.

The main take away from the whole thing, to me, is that anyone who was on the high band has come out worse off and those on the lower band have come out better, regardless as on supp 1, 2 or 3.
 
It's a bit defeatist to just consider you're only earning £100 more. If you're on a projection upwards then Sgt will come soon enough after. It does suck for Armourers being on a lower spine than their Techy counterparts, it doesn't seem fair. That said, every Armourer I've ever met has told me how their job is the best/most important/gods trade etc. So I guess they have a good argument as to why they shouldn't be on just Supp 2.

The main take away from the whole thing, to me, is that anyone who was on the high band has come out worse off and those on the lower band have come out better, regardless as on supp 1, 2 or 3.

Not for aircraft trades, generally speaking first line you're looking at 5-7 years at least as Cpl before looking towards your third.
 
Depending on what group I fall in (Doesnt explain what RE trades are which group) but I'm potentially looking at only around £700 pay rise in the next 3-4 years realistically but overall I will lose out on over £1000.

Looks like most people are suffering a pay cut over the long term.

I don't get the reasoning, in the foreword for this NEM it is classed as a package that will help retain and recruit...?

If that is the plan for this then I am hazarding a guess it may fail.
 
I know people talk about leaving but my guess is that the MOD is hoping (betting) that people just take it on the chin and carry on because actually leaving and getting a civvy job "feels" a bit daunting to most people. Plus there are some that really enjoy the life and wouldn't want to leave anyway.

For me, I left just over a year ago and dropped into a good job within a month so I didn't find leaving anywhere near as bad as I was expecting, yet I know of another friend who took 6 months before they found work. Regardless though, everyone I speak to who has been out for more than a year has said that their life now is getting better after they left.
 
Level 9 ICT and armourer SAC(T)'s will lose and have lost a lot more than you. Their promotion to Cpl is worth less than £100 a year. If they don't get promoted in the next 3 years then they will take a near 4k pay cut. They have been well and truly shafted.

The ICT guys are also in a lower pay group than the NAVY comms techs who do almost exactly the same job.

ICT Tech here. Already know some guys who are banging out over this.

Shocking, so if I've read everything right. IF I don't get promoted within 3 years I'll be getting a pay cut (currently top level) down to 26~k a year?

This is unbelievable. I need to have another read through, but this has really made me think twice about staying in.
 
Yeah, read it wrong clearly. Still not very happy with the circumstances. Getting a paycut regardless is just a joke, considering the 1% payrise every year.
 
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