British Grand Prix 2010, Silverstone Circuit - Race 10/19

FrankJH said:
And it was a cracking drive from 14th on the grid!!!
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Agreed. Cracking race. :)

speedalini said:
Thank goodness for Martin Brundle!
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Good good. :) I agree. A mate of mine shocked me a few weeks ago telling me he didn't think Martin was a good commentator! :eek::rolleyes::confused:

speedalini said:
I think the rest of the presenters are developing pretty well.
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I'm glad the BBC got Ted Kravitz for the pit reporting. I think he's pretty good at his stuff.

speedalini said:
The Jake/David/Eddie combo is quite entertaining!
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Always was going to be. I bet Jake loves it; how easy is it for him to wind either DC or Eddie up or partner up with one of them to wind the other up? :D
 
AcidHell2 said:
As shown button is as fast as Hamilton ...
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I have to strongly disagree with you there.

On a dry track, Button is consistently slower than Hamilton. How many races in a row now have we seen Button outpaced by Hamilton? I've lost count. When was the last time we saw Button matching Hamilton, when it counts? When was the last time we saw Button out qualifying Hamilton. In general, Hamilton is about 0.2s-0.3s/lap faster, on an average lap. Button is basically like Alain Prost, while Hamilton is like Senna (check out 1987 and 1988, for reference, Prost and Senna drove together).

Button is able to keep a cool head and rarely makes mistakes - he is a very relaxed guy, who doesnt panic. So in topsy turvy races, he is able to make well considered decisions. Meanwhile Hamilton, is hot-headed and in a topsy turvy race, is unable to make considered decisions, which is why he allows his team to make them on his behalf. And despite McLaren spending huge amounts on strategists, they generally mess up. Sometimes, I swear, the strategists are actually trying their best to prevent a Hamilton win.
 
FrankJH said:
not really - I think one race he might have been outpaced by Hamilton- yesterday if anything JB was equally as fast and only held back by Rosberg's lack of pace after the SC

Yesterday would have been more interesting if JB had managed a better quali to start with in a sob car, and therefore more likely than not been on LH's tail most of the race if not ahead anyway



Fair point :)
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Jenson couldnt touch Lewis in Canada, he admitted as much himself
 
MarcLister said:
Agreed. Cracking race. :)

Good good. :) I agree. A mate of mine shocked me a few weeks ago telling me he didn't think Martin was a good commentator! :eek::rolleyes::confused:

I'm glad the BBC got Ted Kravitz for the pit reporting. I think he's pretty good at his stuff.

Always was going to be. I bet Jake loves it; how easy is it for him to wind either DC or Eddie up or partner up with one of them to wind the other up? :D
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I disliked Eddie to start with last year, particularly with what he said about McLaren, but he began to respect them as they recovered in the second half of the year
 
sunama said:
On a dry track, Button is consistently slower than Hamilton. How many races in a row now have we seen Button outpaced by Hamilton? I've lost count. When was the last time we saw Button matching Hamilton, when it counts? When was the last time we saw Button out qualifying Hamilton. In general, Hamilton is about 0.2s-0.3s/lap faster, on an average lap. Button is basically like Alain Prost, while Hamilton is like Senna (check out 1987 and 1988, for reference, Prost and Senna drove together).

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Blinded by your bias again I see

Hamilton is better at qualifying - unfortunately true thats about the only thing you got correct though. I think Hamilton has outpaced Button once this season, two or three races ago - otherwise there has been a hairs breath between them recently

LH certainly didnt outpace JB yesterday, it was clearly Rosberg holding JB back (given they finished under a second apart), and given the same engine it was always going to rely on Rosberg having a failure or making a mistake (both unlikely) to allow JB to pass

When in free air it was mentioned in commentary (and the speed at which JB caught Alonso/Rosberg that JB was going as quickly as LH/MW at the time

speedalini said:
Jenson couldnt touch Lewis in Canada, he admitted as much himself
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You are correct, the one race I mentioned earlier was Canada (:


Just as a laugh I just totalled up the finishing time differences since the beginning of the season (ignoring Spain because Lewis had a DNF and Monaco for Jenson for the same reason)

Total time Lewis holds over Jenson after 7 races - an ALMIGHTY .....30s!!!!

After how many laps? That really is impressive ...........hmmmm not really considering how everyone thinks LH is a demi-god!!
 
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Well I certainly wouldn't go as far as Sunama (where has this 2-3 tenths figure come from?) but it does look like Hamilton is starting to pull away from Button now. He's outqalified Button 6 times in a row is it? Button's strengths are said to be in better decision making and better tyre wear, but there hasn't been any opportunity for him to demonstrate this since the wet races at the beginning of the season, and Hamilton's tyres seem to be just as good as Button's as there has been no comparitive drop off in Hamilton's lap times towards the end of races.
 
Setroc said:
Well I certainly wouldn't go as far as Sunama (where has this 2-3 tenths figure come from?) but it does look like Hamilton is starting to pull away from Button now. He's outqalified Button 6 times in a row is it? Button's strengths are said to be in better decision making and better tyre wear, but there hasn't been any opportunity for him to demonstrate this since the wet races at the beginning of the season, and Hamilton's tyres seem to be just as good as Button's as there has been no comparitive drop off in Hamilton's lap times towards the end of races.
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Last few races (apart from GB) are traditionally pretty hot races anyway from what I recall, so its not surprising really that LH has got the better of JB

There are a few more traditionally wet (or at least changable) races coming up which might give JB a slight advantage, if he can qualify well

Its the new point system that is exagerating the gap , imagine JB winning with MW 2nd and Lewis 3rd (or worse) , which isnt that unlikely with a lucky safety car or weather changes, that could practically cancel out the current "advantage" in the championship, and if Lewis is really pushed at the end of the season with his relative inexperience he could crack......he may not of course, but then JB has nothing to lose considering what most people thought at the beginning of the season :)
 
Well a good race on Sunday IMO.
Alonso is a hot headed driver and that is why he can be a good driver by being very daring and bold in his style. I think the long game plan is not what he is thinking when he is racing.
Lewis, Button, Webber o seem to have the right mental state to collect points when they can all for the greater good.
Vettel, well his comments that the crowd were cheering him because he was carving his why through the grid, he must have mistaken that cheering for booing for acting like an immature spoilt tw*t !
IMO the wing should go to the slowest driver to bring him up in the finishing list of the race and to attack the cars chasing his team m8's faster car.
So I can not see why the Red Bull team went down that road about a team favourite, as it only leads to conflict and whole lot of PR pain in the bum ! !
 
speedalini said:
I disliked Eddie to start with last year, particularly with what he said about McLaren, but he began to respect them as they recovered in the second half of the year
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He was quite forceful in his opinions in the first few races but has now calmed down. He and DC make quite good pundits, well apart from when DC goes on about reducing speed difference between cars after Webber and Heikki's Valencia get together.
 
FrankJH said:
...but then JB has nothing to lose considering what most people thought at the beginning of the season :)
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Indeed, a lot of people were quite critical of Button's 2009 championship, some even saying he didn't deserve it, it was all the car etc. Given how close he's been to Halilton (and the very high regard LH is held in) Button has shown how he's real champion material.

Alos remember LH had all the advantage at the start of the season, knew the team, knew the car etc. Jenson walked into the team cold. How much that is worth is impossible to say but it has to have been a relative advantage to LH.

Hamiton may be the better qualifier, but I'd rate Button as the better all round package, on and especially off the track.

Is there any word of Räikkönen coming back for 2011 or have we seen the last of him? He's doing 'okay' in WRC but I'd be surprised if he stuck with it.
 
utajoker said:
i thought he bummed button, did u not hear him when button won the hungarian gp, i think he coated brundle in the white stuff. think he actually exploded.

but definatly james allen over leggard but they should definatly bring walker out of retirement. even if its just for a british gp one year.
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The ITV commentary hit an absolute low for me at Brazil in '07. Lewis gets mugged at turn 1, but it's okay he will still win it! He then goes off the road at the end of the next straight, but it's okay he will still win it! His car then stumbles for a few turns, but it's okay he will still win it! And then the commentary team manage to convince themselves that Hamilton won;t have to make another pitstop, despite the fact he's not got enough fuel or tyre life to even hope of getting to the end while still overtaking cars.

Muppets.

clv101 said:
Is there any word of Räikkönen coming back for 2011 or have we seen the last of him? He's doing 'okay' in WRC but I'd be surprised if he stuck with it.
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Where would Kimi go in F1 2011? McLaren isn't an option, Ferrari isn't an option, RBR isn't an option. I suppose he could take Petrov's seat at Renault and partner Kubica, but I can't imagine why he'd want to. And I don't see anywhere else that he would want to be.
 
Hamilton is really turning the screw on Button. There is no doubt in my mind that Hamilton is a far more complete driver than Button. Button is still within touching reach of Hamilton due to a very costly DNF in Spain.
 
JRS said:
The ITV commentary hit an absolute low for me at Brazil in '07. Lewis gets mugged at turn 1, but it's okay he will still win it! He then goes off the road at the end of the next straight, but it's okay he will still win it! His car then stumbles for a few turns, but it's okay he will still win it! And then the commentary team manage to convince themselves that Hamilton won;t have to make another pitstop, despite the fact he's not got enough fuel or tyre life to even hope of getting to the end while still overtaking cars.

Muppets.



Where would Kimi go in F1 2011? McLaren isn't an option, Ferrari isn't an option, RBR isn't an option. I suppose he could take Petrov's seat at Renault and partner Kubica, but I can't imagine why he'd want to. And I don't see anywhere else that he would want to be.
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I used to think James Allen used to be good when he was the pitlane reporter, while Murrey was still around. He seemed quite well informed (better technically than Kravitz) and was good at the pitstop strategy analysis etc. He had a few too many irritating pre-rehearsed lines for my liking when doing the commentary!
 
speedalini said:
I used to think James Allen used to be good when he was the pitlane reporter, while Murrey was still around. He seemed quite well informed (better technically than Kravitz) and was good at the pitstop strategy analysis etc. He had a few too many irritating pre-rehearsed lines for my liking when doing the commentary!
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Never ever thought we would end up with someone worse though :(
 
Owenb said:
Hamilton is really turning the screw on Button. There is no doubt in my mind that Hamilton is a far more complete driver than Button. Button is still within touching reach of Hamilton due to a very costly DNF in Spain.
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Hamilton is a quick driver, that is all. he is hot headed, cant make his own decisions on stratagy, and is a regular PR disaster off the track, Button is by far the more complete driver package.

Also you seem to have forgotten about Buttons costly DNF in Monaco.
 
NightSt@lk3r said:
Hamilton is a quick driver, that is all. he is hot headed, cant make his own decisions on stratagy, and is a regular PR disaster off the track, Button is by far the more complete driver package.

Also you seem to have forgotten about Buttons costly DNF in Monaco.
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That DNF wasn't Button's fault - the mechanics left a blanking panel in the sidepod inlet, which toasted the engine.
 
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