British Grand Prix 2010, Silverstone Circuit - Race 10/19

speedalini said:
When did MS ever compete against a decent team-mate who was allowed to challenge him?
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He didnt have to. He was astute enough to manouvre himself into such a position, where he would get all his team behind him and have them all believing that he is the right man to back. The most complete driver in F1, has this ability. Lesser drivers could never manage to get their team behind them. Notice that Alonso has managed to do this at Ferrari.


This is why I rate MS so highly - he knew how to win...and the foundations for the win were laid behind the scenes. Senna was also pretty good at getting his team(s) to back him 100% and pander to all his needs.

The most complete driver in F1, also has the uncanny ability to find the best teams to work with. A great example of this is when Prost managed to secure a drive for Williams in 1993 and had a clause in his contract stating that Senna would not join the team in 1993 - now that is shrewd. Note: in 1993, the top 3 drivers were Mansell, Senna and Prost. All 3 of these drivers had discussions with Williams and Prost won the seat.

Anyway, I digress...
 
dannyjo22 said:
I didn't expect Button to get 70% of points Hamilton gets this year so I'm surprised as the car hasn't been built to his liking and it's a new team to get used to.
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Yep. My thoughts exactly.

dannyjo22 said:
I do think Hamilton has more raw pace but I also think he's a little bit thick which counters his raw pace at times.
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Yep. My thoughts exactly.

I would liken Hamilton to an angry/aggressive animal. He hounds his competitors into submission. Button, Alonso, etc tend to use their heads and think about the bigger picture more.

That said, Hamilton is the most exciting thing F1 has seen for at least a decade. His aggression on the track raises heart rates of those watching the race. Mansell also had the ability to do this and I love it.

Watching Alonso and Hamilton racing side by side at Canada was mega-exciting, especially when you consider the bad blood between the 2.
 
NightSt@lk3r said:
And how did you come up with that figure? his engine overheated on the first lap so you can't possibly predict how many points he would have lost.
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Barring Alonso, who was on a very different strategy to everyone else, nobody at the front made any progress during the race so I can't see how Button would have made much of an impact during the race.

Monza last year, solid 3rd place and he binned it pushing for more losing everything. Not that im complaining, was superb to watch and is what he is all about.
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Nothing hot headed about that. Points were worthless to him as he was long out of the title race so he gambled and lost. He has been in similar situations this season and has also brought it home because he knows that 2nd is good enough to win the WDC.
 
Duke said:
Wow he must really not be interested in motor racing if he found the noise, smell and atmosphere of 24 F1 cars racing boring! It was my first race (been to many tests inc standing in the Red Bull garage whilst setting up the car and a practice or two before) and thought it was epic. I thought I'd seen it all with the practice sessions but the Sunday was immense.

The crowd was really getting into it. I could fully follow what was going on via 5 Live commentary although the track commentary was 'ok'. I didn't need to look at the screen unless something minor had happened like someone drifting off a little etc.
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Thats my point actually, you follow the sport religiously so going to an event is easy to understand. Otherwise it's 24 cars going round with very little action for £200 on the section of track you are watching.

frakker said:
Except of course, viewing figures are up since Hamilton came into the sport in 2007 and there appears to be more enthusiasm amongst kids to pop down to their local go karting track and have a go for themselves..
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F1 doesn't need kids to go karting, theres plenty of drivers just not enough young fans coming to the sport.

Viewing figures are not up at all. Pitpass ran a piece about Bernies master stroke in getting the BBC to over pay for F1. He made them think they were in a bidding war with ITV when the reality was even in Lewis championship year the viewing figures where in decline. ITV wanted out of F1 as it no longer drew in the sponsorship for the number of viewers.

When I was a kid loads of us got into f1 because it was easy watching. Driver gets in the car, driver goes faster than everyone else and wins, as JRS alluded too with senna. The last 20 years has been more about politics and wrangling with the racing taking a back seat, it's no wonder F1 is not drawing in new fans. Finally the teams are starting to understand this and the standoff nature from most of the big teams need to change.

Red Bull tried to change this a little when they entered F1, the funny press releases, the parties but when it comes to politics they have been shown up as atleast as bad liars as Mclaren.

I can see why younger fans would stay away, do they really want to see all this strategy and cars running on the wrong compounds for no other reason than to manufacture a show?

Its like telling a premier league team that either in the first half or second half your players have to play with the boots on the wrong feet.
 
frakker said:
Which clearly shows that viewing figures are on the increase within the UK.
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Absolutely, which is amazing when you think how competition for viewers time due to more channels, Internet etc. has increase over the decade.

The popularity of F1 is doing very well indeed. If you want to complain about something, complain about the low public interest in touring cars, GT, WRC etc... F1 is the success story, it's the other motorsport disciplines that have a popularity problem.
 
sunama said:
He didnt have to. He was astute enough to manouvre himself into such a position, where he would get all his team behind him and have them all believing that he is the right man to back. The most complete driver in F1, has this ability. Lesser drivers could never manage to get their team behind them. Notice that Alonso has managed to do this at Ferrari.


This is why I rate MS so highly - he knew how to win...and the foundations for the win were laid behind the scenes. Senna was also pretty good at getting his team(s) to back him 100% and pander to all his needs.

The most complete driver in F1, also has the uncanny ability to find the best teams to work with. A great example of this is when Prost managed to secure a drive for Williams in 1993 and had a clause in his contract stating that Senna would not join the team in 1993 - now that is shrewd. Note: in 1993, the top 3 drivers were Mansell, Senna and Prost. All 3 of these drivers had discussions with Williams and Prost won the seat.

Anyway, I digress...
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I hadn't thought of it like that, good point! I was thinking complete driver in terms of just driving
 
frakker said:
Anyway, UK viewing figures of the past few races:

Which clearly shows that viewing figures are on the increase within the UK. They will fluctuate in other territories depending on if a nation is hosting a race, or has a driver participating.

The phrase 'rose tinted spectacles' springs to mind.

There has always been politics and controversies in F1. It is what makes it different to just about any other motor racing category out there. Take away the background dramas and it would be a much duller affair, with talk and publicity halved overnight.

Do you genuinely believe that a 12 year old is going to be deterred from following F1 because of some boardroom shenanigans?
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Those figures are pretty rubbish considering the cost of involvement in f1 and the number of people who watch a world cup game. They do go against the figures I've previously seen but still they are not high enough and clearly sponsors no longer want to be part of f1. That is a fact, despite all the flannel that bernie and max used to come out with about major sponsors staying away because of ciggerette sponsors.

Of course a 12 year old will go to a race and watch the cars does that mean he's tuning in on a sunday, certainly not. Sure there was politics before but certainly nowhere near as much as the last 15 years.
 
I don't think you can compare the World Cup, which is a once in four year event of the largest sport in the world (from poor nations to rich ones) with a motor sport race that takes part every fortnight, traditionally linked to more affluent countries.
 
deuse said:
Bottom of the page. So looks like Kimi is coming back which I welcome but I wonder how much it will cost the team?
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I would take a guess at a sizeable whack.
Maybe $20million

Still a lot less than rumoured the $50 million he got from Ferrari while racing and $35million from not racing in F1 this year.
 
They must be wondering when spending the amount of money that Kimi would want whether they are going to get the real Kimi or the post-WDC kimi.
 
dalin80 said:
Guy is doing a reasonable job but to suggest he might of won in monaco or had the same pace as hamilton at silverstone is utter tripe, hell the guy would have finished the best part of a minute down if it wasnt for the safety car.
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you would be basing that opinion on someone else's pace 0.7s ahead of Button then, rather than Button's true pace - so why would that be relevant?

The Merc was utter tripe in the race - losing 20s or so in 15 laps after the safety car proves that, hardly JB's fault that he cant get by a car with the same powerplant as he has (as has been stated for most of this season you need a relative 3s advantage to be able to really make a pass work, or force a mistake - unlikely from Rosberg without a technical failure)

Remember for majority of the time after the safety car JB was having similar handling issues with the car he had during quali - and yet he was still keeping up with the Merc (seeing as that car was good enough for 5th in quali)



Maybe this year's increased viewing figures since 2000 means that the British public as a whole actually like the World Champion for the 1st time in 10 years!!!! :)
 
frakker said:
Sponsors don't want to be part of F1?

Mastercard are currently sniffing around Renault, Red Bull look poised to open the sponsorship floodgates whilst still having their name emblazoned all over the chassis and Sauber's 'C1' club is a masterclass in attracting businesses (http://www.autosport.com/features/article.php/id/2879)....
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They most certainly dont want to be part of it, even before the global recession big teams couldn't find sponsorship. Hence the whole honda earth dream rubbish. Williams could barely increase the funding on a level to compete and Renault have had issues. If Red Bull would have had to find sponsorship in the beginning instead of self funding they wouldn't have got anywhere.

Hell Brawn could only manage Virgins 25p per week even when it looked likely they would walk the title. No ones interested in a non competitive formula where it costs hundreds of millions to stand on the top step.

I look forward to seeing the sponsorship figures for this mastercard deal. :)
 
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