British Grand Prix 2011, Silverstone Circuit - Race 9/19

It's almost as if they have made every effort to ensure that everybody who watches the advert knows that it is dubbed...badly.

And the worst thing is that somebody actually got paid to do the (bad) dubbing.
 
For me the problem with the McLaren isn't so much the downforce (or lack of) or the blown diffuser so much as the chassis stiffness and the suspension. Both last year and this it has been apparent that McLaren have to set their cars up VERY stiff on suspension compared to the likes of Red Bull in order to be competetive. The evidence for this is how much their cars 'bounce' on the bumps - especially under braking - compared to the RB7 or the Ferrari. Has anyone else noticed this?

This MUST have an effect on their corner entry speed. mid-corner balance and corner exit-speed - pretty much everything crucial! The RB7, aside from all its' other trickery, just looks so composed in comparison. Has the McLaren design team gone up a blind alley in the last couple of years?
 
JonnyT said:
For me the problem with the McLaren isn't so much the downforce (or lack of) or the blown diffuser so much as the chassis stiffness and the suspension. Both last year and this it has been apparent that McLaren have to set their cars up VERY stiff on suspension compared to the likes of Red Bull in order to be competetive. The evidence for this is how much their cars 'bounce' on the bumps - especially under braking - compared to the RB7 or the Ferrari. Has anyone else noticed this?

This MUST have an effect on their corner entry speed. mid-corner balance and corner exit-speed - pretty much everything crucial! The RB7, aside from all its' other trickery, just looks so composed in comparison. Has the McLaren design team gone up a blind alley in the last couple of years?
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It's a McLaren trait and has been for many years. If the car is stiff, it's aerodynamically stable.
 
sunama said:
It's almost as if they have made every effort to ensure that everybody who watches the advert knows that it is dubbed...badly.

And the worst thing is that somebody actually got paid to do the (bad) dubbing.
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That's exactly what happens tbh. Same with all the loreal and other female hair and skin products. People notice and remember it BECAUSE it's so bad. Advertisers win.
 
JonnyT said:
For me the problem with the McLaren isn't so much the downforce (or lack of) or the blown diffuser so much as the chassis stiffness and the suspension. Both last year and this it has been apparent that McLaren have to set their cars up VERY stiff on suspension compared to the likes of Red Bull in order to be competetive. The evidence for this is how much their cars 'bounce' on the bumps - especially under braking - compared to the RB7 or the Ferrari. Has anyone else noticed this?

This MUST have an effect on their corner entry speed. mid-corner balance and corner exit-speed - pretty much everything crucial! The RB7, aside from all its' other trickery, just looks so composed in comparison. Has the McLaren design team gone up a blind alley in the last couple of years?
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Plus the constant locking up of a front wheel under braking,
 
I was SO gutted JB couldnt compete MW for the podium (and given how close Mark was to SV, JB could have been 2nd....or 4th) I can only just bare to come back into this thread

I dont know how it happens - but why is it seemingly always when the team **** up on LH's behalf he still finishes (and wipes himself out of other races), JB who rarely (and never at McLaren as far as I recall) NEVER wipes himself out, but the team **** him up totally so he cant even finish (Monaco last season and Silverstone this).

Whats more galling is the loss of points in repsect to Hamilton esp

edit - I admit the first part of his race was awful - but he was certainly making up for it (and more imo) before the 2nd / fateful pitstop

Kerming said:
some times you just have to go with the flow so to speek. :D;)
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No offence - but thats a lot easier to say looking back. Without trying something different the Brawn would have been a very average car, and the RB could have been midpack the last two seasons.
 
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For anyone who was interested

P. Lap. Driver on Driver Position
1. 2 Felipe Massa Jenson Button 4
2. 2 Lewis Hamilton Jenson Button 5
3. 3 Jarno Trulli Vitantonio Liuzzi 20
4. 4 Adrian Sutil Pastor Maldonado 10
5. 5 Sebastien Buemi Jaime Alguersuari 16
6. 6 Nico Rosberg Pastor Maldonado 11
7. 6 Sergio Perez Pastor Maldonado 12
8. 6 Sebastien Buemi Vitaly Petrov 15
9. 6 Jaime Alguersuari Vitaly Petrov 16
10. 8 Jaime Alguersuari Sebastien Buemi 15
11. 12 Lewis Hamilton Felipe Massa 4
12. 12 Michael Schumacher Kamui Kobayashi 12
13. 12 Nick Heidfeld Pastor Maldonado 14
14. 14 Jenson Button Felipe Massa 5
15. 15 Lewis Hamilton Fernando Alonso 3
16. 19 Nick Heidfeld Kamui Kobayashi 11
17. 19 Jaime Alguersuari Kamui Kobayashi 12
18. 19 Jerome d'Ambrosio Vitantonio Liuzzi 20
19. 20 Pstor Maldonado Kamui Kobayashi 13
20. 20 Kamui Kobayashi Pastor Maldonado 13
21. 20 Sebastien Buemi Pastor Maldonado 14
22. 22 Michael Schumacher Vitaly Petrov 15
23. 24 Fernando Alonso Lewis Hamilton 3
24. 33 Michael Schumacher Jaime Alguersuari 12
25. 39 Sebastian Vettel Felipe Massa 4
26. 40 Lewis Hamilton Felipe Massa 4
27. 46 Mark Webber Lewis Hamilton 3
28. 52 Felipe Massa Lewis Hamilton 4
29. 52 Lewis Hamilton Felipe Massa 4



P. Driver Overtaking
1. Lewis Hamilton 5
2. Jaime Alguersuari 3
3. Michael Schumacher 3
4. Sebastien Buemi 3
5. Felipe Massa 2
6. Nick Heidfeld 2
7. Fernando Alonso 1
8. Sebastian Vettel 1
9. Mark Webber 1
10. Nico Rosberg 1
11. Sergio Perez 1
12. Adrian Sutil 1
13. Pastor Maldonado 1
14. Jerome d'Ambrosio 1
15. Jenson Button 1
16. Kamui Kobayashi 1
17. Jarno Trulli 1
 
Got to love how this forum always goes on about Mark being given a slower car than Seb but, when Webber is in a quicker car nothing is mentioned,funny that. Maybe he only has a quicker car when Sebs pit stop strategy was changed to favour Mark? Then,what do i know?
 
CS||nuTs said:
Got to love how this forum always goes on about Mark being given a slower car than Seb but, when Webber is in a quicker car nothing is mentioned,funny that. Maybe he only has a quicker car when Sebs pit stop strategy was changed to favour Mark? Then,what do i know?
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Probably because when Mark is in a quicker car he gets told he's not aloud to overtake Golden Boy. Then, what do I know?
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Broadly speaking, it is in every team's interest to have both drivers score as many points as humanly possible. It would be business suicide to heavily nobble one driver to allow another to do better.
 
Not really, just wonder how Mark managed to get anywhere near Seb in the race when sebs car is apparently "Quicker". Its just a simple question.
 
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