Hence the point I'm making above. Chuck him in there the first time probably wouldn't do so well, chuck him in a few times and I'd bias on the side of him coming out on top in the long run.
Bruce Lee vs Modern Martial Arts
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Hence the point I'm making above. Chuck him in there the first time probably wouldn't do so well, chuck him in a few times and I'd bias on the side of him coming out on top in the long run.
Soldato
Give him 5 years of training, maybe.
But it's a strange point to make. If anyone does anything obsessively enough they can become extremely good at it.
If I trained 12 hours a day from the age of 12 or whatever I could have been as good as Bruce Lee.
Soldato
This is how the fight with the UFC fighter would turn out (imo)
To perform them to the level he did even for a movie needs significant training and awareness of the art, theres plenty of stuff outside of movies also that shows he was extremely competent with dealing with throws, takedowns, etc. all the stuff that forms the basics of a martial art, whether any of it would have done him much good in an MMA fight today I don't think many if any of the people posting here know enough to say either way for certain, but to suggest he'd be stymied by a double-leg takedown which is a fairly stock move for any martial art seems a bit odd to me.
Soldato
Thats just like saying how can a high level boxer get knocked out by a left hook, the most stock move for any martial art.
If Bruce Lee spent years wrestling with collegiate wrestlers who were good at double legs then sure, he could defend a lot of them. If he didn't he probably wouldn't be able to defend it.
If someone practices double legs a lot more than a person practices defending them then they will take their opponent down 9/10 times.
My point is he already had extensive training in the basic concepts that underpin any type of fighting it would be more about adapting his experience to deal with a different scenario than learning it all from scratch.
Soldato
That's true. I agree.
But I'd still give the edge to the guy who has been training MMA exclusively for the same amount of time.
Thats not what I'm saying at all, you may need to read the original post it was in reply to to get context tho.
EDIT: Atleast how I read the post I was originally replying to I got the impression he was saying Bruce Lee would be defeated by not knowing more recently developed moves without even needing someone all that skillful performing them.
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Man of Honour
It does not matter how fast you are, over 15 rounds you slow down and get caught with punches. I mentioned Roberto Duran for good reason, at 135lbs he was noted for his speed, punching power and endurance. The is no question Duran would have hit Lee frequently and it would have been very telling on Lee who probably did not have anything like the punch resilience of the very top pro boxers like Duran.
Some of the modern day martial artists could learn something from Duran at his peak, watch how he moves at close range avoiding punches, he is not an easy target to hit. I think even Bruce Lee would have wasted a lot of energy punching empty air.
Soldato
Sorry if I've misinterpreted. It looks like you were saying that because he looks skilled in movies he should be able to stop the most basic of takedowns?
I love Bruce Lee BTW. He was an incredibly skilled traditional martial artist and had a great philosophy on it all.
didn't bruce lee train in wing chun? My stepson did it for a few years at the local china town and he used to come home covered in bruises from hitting hard wooden training thingys and he told me every so often he would put you up against 10 of the other students knowing you would get beat to crap because it was a good experience of real fighting so I'm sure adapting to any situation wouldn't be that different.
some people seem to think martial arts students don't spar roughly with each other and all they do is practice kicks and punchs against thin air someone suggesting it would take a martial artist 5 years to adapt to a ring must be smoking crack
Anyway as I'm sure your probably aware punch resilience isn't something you train for you either have it or you don't some guys can take a beating some guys get knocked out uber fast.
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Soldato
Kind of. If you have a glass jaw you will get knocked out quickly regardless. However, if you get beaten up often you will get better at absorbing punishment (as long as you don't have a glass jaw).
Edit - Just replying to your edit. SOME traditional martial arts schools do spar properly however that is the vast vast vast minority. Go to a standard wing chung class then go to a boxing/mma/muay thai class and look at the difference in sparring. Also, you will spar in almost every boxing/mma/muay thai class as opposed to weekly for instance.
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or you get worse at it as you become more brain damaged and unsteady on your feet
My comment was originally in reply to:
Which I took to be implying that someone even without being specifically skilled could defeat him just by knowing some different moves, the example being part of something that underpins the basics of most martial arts.
Man of Honour
+1
There are enough semi contact world champions with glass jaws, or should I say there were in my day.
Soldato
Most of you people clearly have no idea about MMA.
Soldato
Yep he was adept in Wing Chun and used it as a basis of his JKD method. What you said about your stepson sounds right too we used to do the same, conditioning
OK maybe us fans hold him in slightly too high regard tbh i think no one is invisible in a fight there will always be someone out there that can beat you. BUT some of you guys really don't appreciate who this man was and what he was capable of. A pioneer of a complete fighting system for real fights that have no rules and no limitations.
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