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I never once said the kid in this video had been bullied for years.
Try reading what im typing clearly and concisely.
Bullying - Who's in the wrong here?
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I never once said the kid in this video had been bullied for years.
Try reading what im typing clearly and concisely.
had, there's a distinction there that needs to be made.
funny how some are you are calling my argument rubbish when i had more in common with that kid than any of you. you must all be behavioral experts
You have more in common with the kid than any of us? Just how did you work that out? Do you know the life story in detail of every single person on this forum? No? Thought not.
You obviously have very little (if anything) in common with him if the first thing you think after seeing this video is 'That fat kid went over the top, he must have an anger management problem'.
Nothing to gain? Well, you made an incredibly stupid remark, and instead of backing down, you've dug yourself a hole. So you do have something to gain by trying to rescue whatever little credibility you have left, it obviously means a lot to you.
Stop digging.
Soldato
The bully of course. This would have been all avoided if he decided to leave the bigger kid alone. Did he? No. He got destroyed in the end and will have learned his lesson.
Caporegime
I got bullied twice at school, one of them ended up with a broken nose and the other concussion. Didn't get bullied again. Kid probably had it coming and got what he deserved. Hopefully it'll make him think twice before picking on someone else in the future.
I think you've had some sort of adverse reaction to yourself snapping that day when you got bullied in school years ago when lashing out.
It appears to me that you've gone over it extensively in your mind as you grew up and it has created some sort of aversion to allowing people to defend themselves.
It's as plain as day to the rest of us that the fat kid did the right thing.
It appears to me that you've gone over it extensively in your mind as you grew up and it has created some sort of aversion to allowing people to defend themselves.
It's as plain as day to the rest of us that the fat kid did the right thing.
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Nope, I can safely say I wouldnt think any differently about this situation. Due to the fact, that like I said previously...the bigger kid could have just as easily have not snapped, and kept getting punched, until they left him alone, walked home, not to be heard of until the morning when his parents find him hanging from his ceiling. Something that happens everyday from bullying.
like I said previously, is it worse for a bully to cause someone to take their own like, or a bullied child to snap and paralyse the their bully?
In my mind it could have just as easily have ended with the bigger kid committing suicide, and therefore IMO, and my opinion only...I think the kid should have been paralysed. You shouldnt be able to put someone in a position where they could take their own life due to your actions. Therefore, I would rather the bully be paralysed, than a bullied child be dead. Any day of the week.
Edit: Sorry I just read you said killing him, not paralysing him. However...I would still rather have a dead bully, than a dead bullied child.
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Soldato
You're babbling.
it clearly is relevant though i'll point out i didnt bring it up. Detroit_waves mentioned that in response to my situation. he doesnt know that the kid in that video was bullied previously. He doesnt know anything about the kid so how can he make that judgement?
noooo excessive force doesnt mean multiple hits! One hit can still be too excessive. that's why i think he[i/] was excessive. He could have put that kid down without doing what he did. but i believe he flipped, just like i did. and yes i do draw a lot of paralleles with my own situation as it's all very similar.
Anyway I didnt really intend on instigating any kind of argument and i wont do the rest of you the honour of replying with such whitty retorts as "you're a fool" and "you are too simple".
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If you think that's an anger problem, you must have been bullied to hell and thought expressing your displeasure at it is the right thing to do. I would expect the majority of people would act in a similar way after long term bullying and being punched in the face.
The kid is lucky that he only got body slammed when the larger kid was clearly capable of much more. If you get punched in the face and do nothing, then you're a mug and it's your issue, not everyone elses.
You claim to have been bullied, I highly doubt you have though. Some one in my primary school tried to bully me over a period of time, they were no threat to me so I didn't do anything at first, until I got fed up his crap on a daily basis and punched him out.
The same day, about 30 kids came up to me and thanked me for it, because he'd been bullying them by hitting them, verbal abuse, and stealing from them for years before I got there. But they didn't stand up for him because he had a little entourage who'd hit people with him. As soon as I hit him, his little entourage all ran off and kept away.
I was only 11, but still, it's the only way to deal with people sometimes, and is by no means an indication of an anger problem at all.
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If that had happened it would have been terribly unfortunate but no i wouldn't think any differently. If he didn't react he would have continued to be bullied and perhaps hurt himself. He reacted in the heat of the moment. In those scenarios you don't take 5 minutes to think about the best course of action (obvious why not) you stop the person hurting you with the first means that comes to your head. In this case it was to slam him into the ground. Yeah I admit it was dangerous but it didn't kill him so doesn't matter.
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Similar to me at school when I was about 15 I think.
I was quiet/geekly (OCUK user in the making LOL) got picked on by another kid, snapped one day and punched utter **** out of him to the point of dislocating his jaw and putting him in hospital for 3 days over xmas.
Head teach at school looked at situation and suspended the other kid cos he started it.
Job's a good un.
Oh and I didnt get any crap after that and other kids thought I was unhinged which was nice.
I was quiet/geekly (OCUK user in the making LOL) got picked on by another kid, snapped one day and punched utter **** out of him to the point of dislocating his jaw and putting him in hospital for 3 days over xmas.
Head teach at school looked at situation and suspended the other kid cos he started it.
Job's a good un.
Oh and I didnt get any crap after that and other kids thought I was unhinged which was nice.
Well, while it would be unfortunate, I dont think there would be an overwhelming amount of sympathy for the bully as he does seem to be a little scumbag.
He'll probably grow up to be a criminal of some sort most likely especially if the story about his parents suing is true, they're obviously dodgy folk.
You can kill someone by punching them quite normally in the head which is a common thing (the punching), they could just die from it for various reasons, or fall and hit their head.
It didn't happen though, so its not much use speculating over it.
You concede then? Good.
You don't know anything about the kid either. So your anger issue statements are all guff as well.
As for criticising the method the fat kid used to take out the toerag who was swinging at him... I had a mate who was killed outside a pub. He was hit once by a guy who'd had a bit too much to drink. Rotated my friends head so fast that it ruptured the artery in his neck leading to a subarachnoid haemorrhage. He was dead before he hit the pavement.
Sure, the fat kid could have killed him very easily with his chosen method had the kid landed on his head, but the scrawny kid could have very easily found himself on a manslaughter charge too had one of the blows he'd thrown hit the fat kid in the wrong place.
Neither of them is going to be aware of that when they're in that situation though. If the scrawny kid was aware that throwing a punch could lead to that sort of thing, he might not throw them at other people, who then retaliate. And considering the fat kid is not a self defence specialist, there was nothing wrong with his chosen method. He used his size and weight to over power and stop the threat from the scrawny kid. Of course if the fat kid had been able to fight and box back, we wouldn't be here discussing this video as he wouldn't have been getting bullied.
You're neither. But you are wrong.
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I cant believe what your typing. Even you said you snapped once and took it too far but you don't have anger problems do you? The kid was physically punched multiple times and didn't react.
He finally snapped after standing there like a lemon while people were taking the **** and filming it. The little rat deserved that, it doesn't matter what would have happened because it didn't. THEY ARE ONLY KIDS! How do you expect them to react.
I was bulled for months when i started secondary school, i took it and thought it would go away. You get depressed, it effects your confidence and your whole life. It took one little thing to push the guys head through a window. If putting up for months without reaction then snapping is an anger problem then every human is the same. Someone can only take so much. After that people respect you. Its nature. We are all animals after all, especial kids they don't fully understand morals especially when put under pressure like in that video.
Seriously just put yourself into his shoes...
I cant believe what your typing. Even you said you snapped once and took it too far but you don't have anger problems do you? The kid was physically punched multiple times and didn't react.
He finally snapped after standing there like a lemon while people were taking the **** and filming it. The little rat deserved that, it doesn't matter what would have happened because it didn't. THEY ARE ONLY KIDS! How do you expect them to react.
I was bulled for months when i started secondary school, i took it and thought it would go away. You get depressed, it effects your confidence and your whole life. It took one little thing to push the guys head through a window. If putting up for months without reaction then snapping is an anger problem then every human is the same. Someone can only take so much. After that people respect you. Its nature. We are all animals after all, especial kids they don't fully understand morals especially when put under pressure like in that video.
Seriously just put yourself into his shoes...
Soldato
I did have anger issues at the time tizzer, yes, but that was down to the bullying and other factors at that time - home life ect. it still took a lot for me to physically retaliate.
I did get punched in the face once, though not by the same boy. When i was punched in the face i didnt really know what to do, but thankfully i did nothing and truthfully it was ebcause that other kid would have flattened me. He was well known even at his age as a bully with little to no regard for anybody or anything ( and he was somewhat a freak of nature and massively bigger than anybody else at the time). A couple of years later, eventually he and his brother were put away for murder. So yeah, i'm glad i didnt even try that one. He was 15 when he was put away.
I was, like a lot of people have been.
I did get punched in the face once, though not by the same boy. When i was punched in the face i didnt really know what to do, but thankfully i did nothing and truthfully it was ebcause that other kid would have flattened me. He was well known even at his age as a bully with little to no regard for anybody or anything ( and he was somewhat a freak of nature and massively bigger than anybody else at the time). A couple of years later, eventually he and his brother were put away for murder. So yeah, i'm glad i didnt even try that one. He was 15 when he was put away.
I was, like a lot of people have been.
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It's like the saying, you play with fire, you might get burnt. No I'm not saying the kid would have deserved it if he landed on his neck, broke it and died, but that imposed the situation upon the other kid, and would have to live with what ever happened.
You could go one step further and say "what if the kid had something wrong with his brain" and the large kid punched him back, rather than slamming him, and getting punched triggered something fatal. It's all "what ifs" when that didn't happen.
Soldato
People are just over-speculating now. With the footage we have, the kid deserved it. Like I said earlier, this could have been avoided and no limbs broken or no epic body slams commencing.
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I did have anger issues at the time tizzer, yes, but that was down to the bullying and other factors at that time - home life ect.
I did get punched in the face once, though not by the same boy. When i was punched in the face i didnt really know what to do, but thankfully i did nothing. He was pretty notorious even at his age ( he was somewhat a freak of nature and massively bigger than anybody else at the time) and eventually he and his brother were put away for murder. So yeah, i'm glad i didnt even try that one. He was 15 at the time.
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The difference here is the other kid had the means to end this and he did. Your scenario is somewhat different, you didn't lash out because you had weighed up all the options, the reason you didn't react was you would have ended up far worse off if you did(self preservation). I know what it's like in primary there was one kid who would try to bully everybody as he was the biggest kid there nobody could do anything, but that resolved itself in another way.
Back to the point. Not all bullies are going to turn out to be crazed murderers (majority wont) so to say he was wrong to react as he did and has an anger problem on your one personal experience is somewhat silly.
Soldato
No skippy, i was comparing it to a time when i flipped and grabbed a kids face threw it in to a wall.
anyway. I dont believe the kid needed to do that in the video. he was big enough to deal with it a little more sensibly. I'm not saying the other kid didnt deserve what he got in the end, but something like that could have so easily ended up being so much worse. I know its easy to say 'well, he could have punched him in the face and killed him' as some people have tried to suggest in this thread, but what are the chances of that happening? i dont the kid is strong enough to do that sort of damage, somehow, not unless the other kid was in an extremely unlikely situation whereby a (relatively) soft blow to the head would be enough to kill him.
The one thing people picked up on was the comparisons i drew to my own experience, yet we've established that if i dont known him i cant pass judgement. great, that means neither can anybody else. So for all you lot trying to have a dig at me, i wont say you disappointed me because let's face it...this is a forum full of nerds and keyboard warriors - it's almost expected. however insulting my intelligence only highlights your own ineptitude and inability to form a well reasoned arguement. So yeah, congrats on that
anyway. I dont believe the kid needed to do that in the video. he was big enough to deal with it a little more sensibly. I'm not saying the other kid didnt deserve what he got in the end, but something like that could have so easily ended up being so much worse. I know its easy to say 'well, he could have punched him in the face and killed him' as some people have tried to suggest in this thread, but what are the chances of that happening? i dont the kid is strong enough to do that sort of damage, somehow, not unless the other kid was in an extremely unlikely situation whereby a (relatively) soft blow to the head would be enough to kill him.
The one thing people picked up on was the comparisons i drew to my own experience, yet we've established that if i dont known him i cant pass judgement. great, that means neither can anybody else. So for all you lot trying to have a dig at me, i wont say you disappointed me because let's face it...this is a forum full of nerds and keyboard warriors - it's almost expected. however insulting my intelligence only highlights your own ineptitude and inability to form a well reasoned arguement. So yeah, congrats on that
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Anybody who gets bullied deserves a good thrashing. Bullying by definition is reasonless assault on another person, there is zero justification. Any vicious reaction they get is well-deserved imo.
That being said, I do not condone violence or anything of the sort, but as my nan told me, you have to stand up for yourself because nobody will do it for you. Stood me well.
That being said, I do not condone violence or anything of the sort, but as my nan told me, you have to stand up for yourself because nobody will do it for you. Stood me well.
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Well that long and detailed description tells us what? Perhaps you did/do have an anger problem here but seeing as you've given us no back story it's rather hard to see how this relates. Assuming this was a scenario where some kid bullied you at school and kept hitting you and then one time you just flipped and put his face into a wall, I'd say your actions were justified. If you have experienced the above then I find your views somewhat difficult to understand as surely you of all people would know if you are pushed that hard you do not think when you flip, you just react.
Yeah sure looking back at it you probably think it was excessive force but in them situations you must surely understand that you do not think like that in them situations.