Soldato
@james.miller - back away from the keyboard and get some sleep. Sheesh!
Bullying - Who's in the wrong here?
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Soldato
I have explained it, early in the thread. the only thing i havent mentioned is what caused me to lunge at him - he punched me in the liver from behind on the way to class. the rest of it, including the weeks of bullying prior to this and me leaving him on the floor and walking to class as if nothing happened, i have already mentioned.
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Ok so going from what I have said above why do you believe this was excessive force? you did what was needed to protect yourself you was punched in the liver, god knows what would have happened after so it would seem you just reacted by whatever method came first to your mind, slamming him into a wall. I'm honestly trying to understand why you think as you do.
No skippy, i was comparing it to a time when i flipped and grabbed a kids face threw it in to a wall.
anyway. I dont believe the kid needed to do that in the video. he was big enough to deal with it a little more sensibly. I'm not saying the other kid didnt deserve what he got in the end, but something like that could have so easily ended up being so much worse. I know its easy to say 'well, he could have punched him in the face and killed him' as some people have tried to suggest in this thread, but what are the chances of that happening? i dont the kid is strong enough to do that sort of damage, somehow, not unless the other kid was in an extremely unlikely situation whereby a (relatively) soft blow to the head would be enough to kill him.
The one thing people picked up on was the comparisons i drew to my own experience, yet we've established that if i dont known him i cant pass judgement. great, that means never can anybody else. So for all you lot trying to have a dig at me, i wont say you disappointed me because let's face it...this is a forum full of nerds and keyboard warriors - it's almost expected. however insulting my intelligence only highlights your own ineptitude and inability to form a well reasoned arguement. So yeah, congrats on that
And so you keep digging, actually with a feeble attempt to insult the entire forum this time as your hole gets deeper!
Anyone (actually, nearly everyone) who has offered a well reasoned argument has been more or less ignored by yourself, so that is entirely irrelevant.
You just simply do not understand that people are different, and situations can be different to the one you claim to have been in. I'm not quite sure how, or why, but there we have it.
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I have a suspicion that his actions (slamming head into wall) resulted in some repercussions that led to him being punished or led him to believe his actions were very wrong and as such has left him with a different outlook.
Soldato
because i put the boy in hospital, skippy. That was excessive force and i shouldnt have done it. I didn't need to do it. That's all im saying
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what, or who are you arguing with? in my initial post i said it appeared from the video that he had an anger issue and I had no problem admitting i came to that conclusion because of the similarities between that and my own experience at school. is it possible im wrong? of course it bloody is. what's your point? like i told you, babbling mate. give it a rest.
Punched in the liver from behind? Are you sure about that?
Soldato
Sorry kidney, not liver lol
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I don't really see how I'm 'babbling', I'm trying to make you see my point (as have others).
As Skippy said above, I think there are probably things you aren't telling us (or going to tell us, fair enough) that made you think what you did was badly wrong when it wasn't.
Given what you said, you did the right thing and from that, nobody would, or should, have assumed you have any sort of anger issues.
Just like the boy in the video, that is just so far away from 'anger issues' that it is unreal.
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because i put the boy in hospital, skippy. That was excessive force and i shouldnt have done. That's all im saying
Yes looking back on the matter now yes it was excessive force but the point I and a lot of other posters are trying to make is that in them situations you don't think. So you saying he could have handled it better seems somewhat silly. Yeah he might of been able to but in that half a second where he decided to act you can guarantee the repercussions weren't his primary thought, you'd probably find it was stopping the bully by the most efficient means. Which in this case was to use his massive size advantage against the smaller kid. So by saying he could have handled it better from after the event is silly. The kid is not a trained fighter he doesn't plan his attacks, he simply goes with instinct and that is to put down his attacker by whatever means he has available.
Soldato
Hindsight is a beautiful thing.
Man of Honour
I have a similar story that might shed some light. In the past, I have had more severe restrictions on what I considered reasonable force and that probably stems from a couple of incidents in my childhood related to being bullied.
On one occasion, I grabbed a length of steel pipe (about the size of a bicycle pump) and threw it as hard as possible at the person's head from close range.
On the other, I beat the person unconscious with my fists and left them unmoving on the footpath with blood coming out of their head. Presumably the blood was from them hitting the footpath, which was concrete.
I remember nothing at all about either event. As far as I can tell, for those short periods of time I was functioning purely on primal instincts, no higher brain function at all (and thus no memory). What I recall as I came back is a fleeting sense of joy being replaced by panic as I wondered what I had done in the missing time.
It bothered me to be reminded that sentience is a later add-on in humans and at the bottom of it I'm a primitive animal.
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Pretty much sums up this argument. However I'm not sure if ole James sees it that way but I think that's more his own issues than anything and they're none of my business so I wont pry any more.
That may have been the case with you but the case we witness in the video is very different. He reacts once and walks away, personally I think that's quite restrained. As you rightly point out your experiences do show how primitive we can be when pushed and your examples there actually further highlight how restrained this kid was. The second part of your post furthers my point that in them cases when the "red mist descends" we're actually not thinking at all. Although you may have gone a tad far in your examples matey
. Then again I don't know the full story so wont judge. Night all
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Soldato
I was bullied at school, it makes me smile when the antagonist gets their head kicked in.
Only once in years did I ever defend myself against one though, but I didn't take it that far however sometimes I wish I could have.
No tears here!
Only once in years did I ever defend myself against one though, but I didn't take it that far however sometimes I wish I could have.
No tears here!
Soldato
The skinny kids intention was to degrade and humiliate the big lad for the entertainment of himself and his pack, and to broadcast it on the internet! Imo that's sociopathic behaviour of the highest order, he deserved exactly what he was dealt.
Nice tanking by the big lad, adsorbed the threat, then bang! hit him with a couple of nice, high scoring melee dps moves. Good one big lad!
Nice tanking by the big lad, adsorbed the threat, then bang! hit him with a couple of nice, high scoring melee dps moves. Good one big lad!
We all have snapping points and the big lad was driven to his thanks to the constant humiliation from the bullies and the ineptitude of teachers/school heads*, he should be admired for having the restraint to walk away after putting his bully in a position where many would have simply lost it and started to kick away.
No one in this world will stand up for you except for you and judging by the 'gangsta' pics that have come up of 'rat' since the fight and the comments he made to a girl on facebook about wanting her raped and killed the he got off lightly.
*especially that head of schools prat who babbled on about about they should have talked in order to understand each other better because after all real life is one long 'synergy' political correctness meeting.
No one in this world will stand up for you except for you and judging by the 'gangsta' pics that have come up of 'rat' since the fight and the comments he made to a girl on facebook about wanting her raped and killed the he got off lightly.
*especially that head of schools prat who babbled on about about they should have talked in order to understand each other better because after all real life is one long 'synergy' political correctness meeting.
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Lube or no lube?
Soldato
jeez, some crazy arguments on this thread.
He threw the guy to the ground, he didn't drop him on his head, he actually held onto the shoulders longer, so unless his neck got crushed against the big guys body then there wasn't any real risk of paralysis etc.
Don't see a thing wrong with it tbh, irrespective of the back story, if it was a video of two grown ups, one coming and trying to act the hard man and "boxing" the other, and the other stood, took a few punches and then floored the attacker, nobody would say a word, it would be up there with all the similar videos on youtube.
There is a risk inherent to any fighting, but even off this one incident I'd say he was provoked enough to react.
And the school obviously agree with me, if the 4 days vs 22 days suspensions are correct.
He threw the guy to the ground, he didn't drop him on his head, he actually held onto the shoulders longer, so unless his neck got crushed against the big guys body then there wasn't any real risk of paralysis etc.
Don't see a thing wrong with it tbh, irrespective of the back story, if it was a video of two grown ups, one coming and trying to act the hard man and "boxing" the other, and the other stood, took a few punches and then floored the attacker, nobody would say a word, it would be up there with all the similar videos on youtube.
There is a risk inherent to any fighting, but even off this one incident I'd say he was provoked enough to react.
And the school obviously agree with me, if the 4 days vs 22 days suspensions are correct.