Can you prove that God does not exist?

I fully understand each culture has interpreted it differently.
Haven't wars been waged over them?
Not that disproving each other proves anything, or that neither is right and no god exists.

Meh.
We'll never know ;)

I'll just carry on with my life as is....a non believer.
Maybe that's why in having so much bad luck right now ;)
 
Sorry I can't. If anyone reads, hears or comprehends it they're instantly struck with a severe case of Death. Genuinely I'd love to be able to say what it is, but I just couldn't handle the guilt! Sorry.
 
If a God did indeed exist, wouldn't it be pointless asking questions such as "where is he when this happened?"?

After all, here you are talking about a being who wouldn't be bound by things such as logic and any laws or bounderies that govern our universe. It could be argued that it would be pointless to ask this of someone whos mind is much greater, much more than a mere human brain. It could be said that we couldn't even begin to comprehend or ask questions of his reasoning for doing (or not doing) anything.

Just a thought...

Incidentally,

AcidHell2 said:
neither is right or wrong, as you can't prove either, God does not rely on science so god cannot be proved or disproved,

Science on the other hand is only a model to fit known data and as such any theory's in science can not be proved 100%
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The thread should have ended here.
 
Azagoth said:
Sorry I can't. If anyone reads, hears or comprehends it they're instantly struck with a severe case of Death. Genuinely I'd love to be able to say what it is, but I just couldn't handle the guilt! Sorry.
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As opposed to someone having a minor case?




We are living in the now, not the past, not the present. But people are afraid of the now... its the only thing that can harm us and as such people can't face it. We need help or guidance, and "maybe thats why we seek religion, maybe thats why we march in the street, maybe thats why we complain to the society, maybe thats why we vote for the presidents."

Maybe we're so afraid of confronting the fact we're alone in such a vast world in such a vast universe that we had to make elaborate stories to try and make this fear manageable, to try and guide us through without having such a daunting idea looming over us.


For everything else to do with jesus/christianity, Zeitgeist, part 1.
 
Woody__ said:
If a God did indeed exist, wouldn't it be pointless asking questions such as "where is he when this happened?"?

After all, here you are talking about a being who wouldn't be bound by things such as logic and any laws or bounderies that govern our universe. It could be argued that it would be pointless to ask this of someone whos mind is much greater, much more than a mere human brain. It could be said that we couldn't even begin to comprehend or ask questions of his reasoning for doing (or not doing) anything.
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Yes but that's a complete cop out and only leads to the conclusion that it's pointless even to think about such a god.
 
Inquisitor said:
Yes but that's a complete cop out and only leads to the conclusion that it's pointless even to think about such a god.
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Isn't it pointless to contemplate any God though, without faith? After all, who are we, with our finite brains with limited capiblity, to question the logic and decision making process of someone whos very existance would, in theory, be beyond what we can even imagine?

I've always quite liked the idea of a God who trancends things like space and time, and was the first cause. He was the instigator of the Big Bang and because time is irrelvent to this deity, he could see how his universe would evolve and as such, became a passive deity. That idea holds a nice attraction for me but being of a scientific mind, I can't ever see myself overcoming my agnostism unless something truly spirtual and religous happens to me...
 
Vegetarian said:
Every world religion is basicly the same as each other appart from christianity.

Christianity was writen over many thousens of years by 40 people inspired by God.

Islam - one persons view
Budism - one persons view
Hinduism - is really based on paganism

Christianity is the only one that preches forgiveness, love for others, turning the other cheek etc - all the rest deal with natural human emotions such as revenge, hating someone, lying is ok and violence etc

Christianity is the odd one out.... it preaches something thats not so natural for humans but something thats more fullfilling.

another thing almost all major world religions mention Jesus - even some sec's of hinduism talk about Jesus.... if Jesus was some random guy, why so much intrest??
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For that to be true, most of Christianity throughout history would have to be not Christianity at all.

No doubt you could find adherents of other religions saying the same thing about their religion.

Oh, and check out Wicca. Not much in the way of revenge, hatred, violence, etc, in there. Not yet, anyway.
 
Vegetarian said:
Abrahamic God, the Christian and Jewish God are all the same! Islamic God is not the same as these as it preeches a vastly different message.
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Those three religions worship the same god. There is no question about that at all.

One of the Islamic holy days is the birthday of Abraham (although Moslems name him differently, due to different languages, they are referring to the same person) because he was the first of the great messengers from god.

Same man, same god.

Jesus (again, different language, different name) is revered in Islam, also as a great messenger from god.

Same man, same god.

The message isn't all that different, either.

It's more or less Judaism, Judaism 2 and Judaism 3.
 
SuBsTaNcE said:
Sorry i forgot to mention, the religion is christianity, and does this still apply?

I don't really know any more, they all seem to make up new rules(lies) about most things nowadays, gay vicar's as an example, now i don't have a problem with this, but surely the bible says this is wrong
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Not clearly, no. The clarity was added much later in rather dubious translations. Even the "Abomination! Kill them! Kill them all!" passages in Leviticus aren't actually clear at all. They might, for example, mean that two men shouldn't have sex in a woman's bed. Anywhere else, but not in a woman's bed. That may sound silly, but it's no sillier than some of the other things forbidden in Leviticus.
 
"Can you prove that God does not exist?"

I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. If you make the claim that God exists, the burden of proof lies with you. It is not my job to prove otherwise. There are millions of things you can't disprove (fairies, elves, cloud monster, FSM) really any mythical creature you can think of.
 
Vegetarian said:
Christianity is the only one that preches forgiveness, love for others, turning the other cheek etc - all the rest deal with natural human emotions such as revenge, hating someone, lying is ok and violence etc

Christianity is the odd one out.... it preaches something thats not so natural for humans but something thats more fullfilling.
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Christianity is not the odd one out. One merely has to turn to the old Testament to see all the murder, rape, mass genocide, persecution of homosexuals and women. It really is no better.
 
at the time of jesus there was talk of miracles happening, that proved there was a god/higher being, so where are the miracles now?

and in the bible there was talk of moses talking to a burning tree?, WHAT!, you tell me he was not on drugs, and probably the same can be said for any other miracle.
 
To the OP, are you so insecure in your faith that you have to convince others to think the same way as you?

It shouldn't matter what other people claim they can prove or disprove, where other people put their faith (religion, science, the FSM) as it's not your concern, just as your faith isn't theirs.

I hold my own beliefs which are valid for me, based on my life experiences and so on, I'm comfortable in my beliefs, but I don't expect other people to share them, only respect my right to hold them. Those who try and convince others to think their way, whatever view they hold, are only really either expressing their own insecurity or a desire to control.
 
Chimpdaddy said:
"Can you prove that God does not exist?"

I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. If you make the claim that God exists, the burden of proof lies with you. It is not my job to prove otherwise. There are millions of things you can't disprove (fairies, elves, cloud monster, FSM) really any mythical creature you can think of.
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Depends whether you believe that absence of evidence is the same thing as evidence of absence, and whether your standards of evidence are relevant to the matter at hand. Demanding proof of an untestable hypothesis, then assuming it must be false (rather than unproven) only shows your faith in logical positivism, not any rationality on your part.
 
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