Canadian Grand Prix 2012, Montréal - Race 7/20

Skeeter said:
You 'beleive'...? Your usually the man with the stats. What were the comparative lap times between them for the 3 laps before and after the overtake (or until Schumacher pitted)?
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the facts are.

schumacher was gaining on kobayashi
schumacher overtook kobayashi at the hairpin
kobayashi was immediately in the DRS detection zone.
kobayashi used DRS to overtake a car that was clearly the faster of the 2 over a lap

it was on lap 40 , schumacher retired on 43.

so i can only assume schumachers DRS got stuck when he tried to repass kobayashi
 
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Ok, from what I can gather from the F1 Fanatic lap charts (which are cool as hell, lol), Schumacher caught Kamui, passed, got re-passed through DRS, stuck with him, was in DRS the following lap and then it never closed causing him to go off and then retire.

Had his DRS not failed he would have got in front and stayed there. Net result, the faster driver would have got and kept the place.
 
arknor said:
so i can only assume schumachers DRS got stuck when he tried to repass kobayashi
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Yeah it looks that way, its the only way he would have been in a position to use DRS.

So Kamui kept the place because Schumacher's car broke meaning he couldn't come back at him, not because DRS gifted Kamui the place.
 
arknor said:
which brings us back to your statement ;)
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Which remains correct. A pass it not the specific position of a car at a single given point. Its about getting and then retaining a place.

Cars could swap places numerous times, but the faster one will always end up in front.
 
Psycho Ned said:
Probably be shot down for this suggestion but would giving everyone a limited number of DRS 'opens' a race which they can use whenever be a better solution? Say 10 a race or something.

There would be a bit of cat and mouse over whether or not the guy behind would use his and maybe you could hold onto them until the end of the race and use them to make a few passes or early on to gain track position.

There's probably an obvious reason I'm missing why this would be a **** idea though :p
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Pretty good idea :)
 
Duke said:
Pretty good idea :)
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Yeah, apart from the obvious accusations of being 'gimmicky' and 'fake' that always comes with this sort of thing, it worked really well in A1GP.

There was something funky with qualifying too if I remember? Something like having 2 qualifying sessions (1 for each race) but only 1 boost available.
 
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Skeeter said:
Yeah, apart from the obvious accusations of being 'gimmicky' and 'fake' that always comes with this sort of thing, it worked really well in A1GP.

There was something funky with qualifying too if I remember? Something like having 2 qualifying sessions (1 for each race) but only 1 boost available.
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Well yeah will always get that. Easy to forget what it used to be like and come up with suggestions out of thin air that, as if its that easy to sort out.

As long as DRS is only an overtaking aid and not too easy then its doing a good job imo. Still needs some tweaking.

If there was clear on-screen graphics showing how many uses they had left/used, it could be good.
 
I thought DRS wasn't meant to be push to pass anyway, it was to get the cars side by side in the braking zones. I agree that is a tall order, but that idea seems to have gone out of the window since the "fans" are loving all of the "exciting" and numerous overtakes.
 
Duke said:
If there was clear on-screen graphics showing how many uses they had left/used, it could be good.
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Yep. Again, A1GP had that. I actually really liked A1GP.

CaptainRAVE said:
I thought DRS wasn't meant to be push to pass anyway, it was to get the cars side by side in the braking zones. I agree that is a tall order, but that idea seems to have gone out of the window since the "fans" are loving all of the "exciting" and numerous overtakes.
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Its almost impossible though as they are trying to hit a constantly moving target. The one stand out spot on so far for me was China last year. It was perfect there.
 
Bah, they should extend the season with a special "test" race, make it a cash prize. I don't know how much the teams make per race or it costs to run each race so the prize needs to be appropriate, but lets just say, 1mil in prizes for qualifying, 500k 1st, 400k 2nd, etc, etc. Then 500k for the race win, 400k 2nd, etc, etc, then 1st in qualifying starts from the back. I'd also throw out the back 4, they are just too slow and would be more likely to cause a crash than make the race better in any way.

Pick the right track and we'll have an overtaking fest of crazyness. No tyre rules, or, everyone has to do 3 stops on whatever tyre they want and go balls out start to finish.

The biggest issue at the moment in F1 in regards to overtaking is, the cars are so aerodynamically active, they move the air around so significantly that as soon as you get in that window you're losing efficiency and it becomes insanely hard to get past the guy infront. You can be half a second a lap faster up to 1-2 seconds behind, then be unable to get any closer.

Might not fix it for the season, but maybe we can have a few "event" type races throughout the year, they'd shake things up, certainly make things more interesting and we'd certainly get a lot of overtaking.
 
DRS is pathetic and it was highlighted more so than recently in Canada, no idea why any fan of F1 can defend it when they see such easy passing, and we see drivers waiting just to use the DRS zone to pass instead of real overtaking. The MS incident showed all that is wrong with DRS.

And it robbed the fans of seeing if Lewis could find his way passed 2 double world champions without pressing a button to pass. Skeeter will be along the now to say oh all the moves were done before DRS, well no they were not.
 
I'm not defending DRS from a fan's point of view; I just said that from a driver's perspective (while DRS is in the sport) it makes much more sense to be patient and wait for the DRS opportunity.

I'd much rather they ditched DRS and solved the aero issues, but I can also see why it was introduced. However, it seems many of the problems that resulted in the introduction of DRS have been overcome, so it seems a shame to continue persisting with it.
 
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