TFR is a commercial grade chemical, if it's not diluted properly it can stain paint and etch trims. Another reason to avoid car washes. It's designed to strip off as much dirt as possible without dwelling to save time washing vans and such, of you just add some citrus pre wash or APC to snow foam it'll give it some more 'bite'.
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TFR is a commercial grade chemical, if it's not diluted properly it can stain paint and etch trims. Another reason to avoid car washes. It's designed to strip off as much dirt as possible without dwelling to save time washing vans and such, of you just add some citrus pre wash or APC to snow foam it'll give it some more 'bite'.
Cheers, going by the replies here on TFR, I'll stick with snowfoam. Currently using AG Polar Blast but have a tub of the Halfords Advanced stuff to try next as it was on offer last time I was in store so I grabbed a pack of it.
Interested to try as you suggest, adding some citrus pre-wash or APC - any in particular you would suggest/recommend? I usually wash my car using a three stage method - AG Polar Blast, AG Polar Wash then finally AG Polar Seal. Then dry off using microfibre towels. But that all takes time and at this time of year when the car gets dirty much quicker (also depending on the weather) it would be nice to be able to just rinse off with water, apply some sort of 'solution' to the car, leave for a few minutes then rinse off, getting the worst of the crap off and saving time rather than go through the full 3 stage treatment that I would usually do.
Quite demoralising doing the full three stage thing, drying the car off then popping to the shops for a 5 minute drive and by the time you get home the damn car is filthy again, due to the crud on the roads!!!
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Stjarnagloss Först X (Forst) - Citrus Pre-Cleaner Concentrate
Först X Citrus Pre Cleaner / Pre Wash - ConcentrateYes, we've given you the super strength TFR you've wanted for maximum economy - dilute it yourself for the citrus cleaning fire power you've come to expect from regular Först.There's a reason why regular Först became a leading Traffic Film...
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Stjarnagloss Först (Forst) - Citrus Pre-Cleaner
Först Citrus Pre Cleaner / Pre WashThe first choice for dirtier jobs.If your car is really filthy or needs a bit of a spring clean, strip off heavier contamination with Först, our citrus Traffic Film Remover (TFR).Natural orange oil within the formula doesn’t just boost cleaning – it smells...
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My Leon was washed as part of a main dealer service and came back with a weird permanent water drop pattern on the roof bars and a patch of paint that no longer felt glossy. I wonder if that was due to the work experience boy being let loose with the TFR?!
If it had been my own car I'd have been fuming.
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id like to get something strong too, but not THAT strong!
would Forst X be like that ?
Have had that on a few occasions, plastic wheel nuts peppered in white spots due to Acidic Wheel Cleaners.
Had to replace them!
After learning my lesson I often ask them not to wash my vehicle anymore, always try to ensure it goes in clean too as they tend to drape things over the bonnet as they carry out work inflicting micro scratches.
Not paint but maybe trims if you used it neat.
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not so sure, GTechniq stuff is a lot of money, but its only for tyres, you don't need expensive stuff (imo)
It goes on the trim kick plates too and can be used as a trim gel for the door panels but overall I just like the satin finish it leaves on the tyres (matte on trims once buffed with a MF). Also not too expensive at £12.99. The whole lot came to £30, so yeah cost effective for good quality stuff 
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I've not tried my flex wax as of yet..
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We have a proper truck wash jet wash machine at work and watching people "clean" their cars with it pains me. You get it on your hands you can feel the burn!
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just to bring this up again, as i think this video hit the nail on the head
Snow Foam / Citrus Pre Wash and TFR
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i tried a slightly different way to clean the car today (and used different products)
worked ok, car was FILTHY
Bodywork
Surfex HD diluted 1:10 for the lower half of the car in a spray bottle
Rinsed off with my battery powered sprayer as i don't have access to a hose etc
Rinseless Wash with Infinity Wax waterless wash , diluted 256:1 with my Ultra Black sponge
Dried with drying towel
Turtle Wax "Flex Wax Graphene spray" a panel at a time with a cheap microfiber cloth
Wheels
Tried brushes (barrel and lug nut types) ended up using microfiber cloth, as i found it easier
Turtle Wax "Waterless Wash and Wax" on wheels and tyres
job done
forgot pics, but before i started , i thought "that's cool" here's the roof :
worked ok, car was FILTHY
Bodywork
Surfex HD diluted 1:10 for the lower half of the car in a spray bottle
Rinsed off with my battery powered sprayer as i don't have access to a hose etc
Rinseless Wash with Infinity Wax waterless wash , diluted 256:1 with my Ultra Black sponge
Dried with drying towel
Turtle Wax "Flex Wax Graphene spray" a panel at a time with a cheap microfiber cloth
Wheels
Tried brushes (barrel and lug nut types) ended up using microfiber cloth, as i found it easier
Turtle Wax "Waterless Wash and Wax" on wheels and tyres
job done
forgot pics, but before i started , i thought "that's cool" here's the roof :
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