CES 2025 AMD & Nvidia Keynote Live Chat [06/01/25]

hyperseven · 2025-01-07T04:16:25+0000

Purgatory said:
DLSS 3.5 is what a 40 series supports.

DLSS 4 is 50 series only.

nah, I posted the feature table earlier from Nvidia. Only MFG is 50 series only.

Steve Bruce · 2025-01-07T04:17:09+0000

Hostile_18 said:
Because AMD have had the benefit of the doubt so many times before and today they not only fumbled again, but wasted everyone's time who was interested in their products. Before the conference most were really positive they would be able to turn the ship around. Intel are our best hope for true competition now IMO.

While today was a disappointment from amd not to showcase what they have, I'll hold fire on whether the product is a dud or not when we actually see it. My expectation was it would perform like a 4070ti with much improved RT (over rdna 3)and be 16gb. If that's the case and it's priced around 400 it's a good card and will fit most people's budget and performance requirements.

Likewise I'll not get carried away with things like the 5070 being as good or better than a 4090 until I see independent reviews.

TNA · 2025-01-07T04:17:13+0000

Well, that was fun. Back to bed.

Look forward to the videos from GN, HUB etc tomorrow.

Hostile_18 · 2025-01-07T04:17:17+0000

TNA said:
Why you being so hostile toward AMD bruv?

I'm a disappointed parent. I know they can do better lol.

GamingRobioto · 2025-01-07T04:18:29+0000

When do the AIBs usually start showing models after the initial announcement?

TNA · 2025-01-07T04:19:02+0000

Steve Bruce said:
Likewise I'll not get carried away with things like the 5070 being as good or better than a 4090 until I see independent reviews.

Yeah. We all know he means when you enable multiframe generation which is exclusive to 5000 series.

No chance it will beat it without DLSS.

danlightbulb · 2025-01-07T04:19:16+0000

Steve Bruce said:
I can't disagree with the shambles amd are when it comes to marketing and it's actually unfathomable how they are so bad at it for so long.

Not sure it's marketing that's the issue really. Their CPUs are massively successful because they are industry leading performance. They don't have good GPUs and they are falling behind. Marketing ain't gonna fix that.

Hostile_18 · 2025-01-07T04:20:11+0000

Steve Bruce said:
While today was a disappointment from amd not to showcase what they have, I'll hold fire on whether the product is a dud or not when we actually see it. My expectation was it would perform like a 4070ti with much improved RT (over rdna 3)and be 16gb. If that's the case and it's priced around 400 it's a good card and will fit most people's budget and performance requirements.

Likewise I'll not get carried away with things like the 5070 being as good or better than a 4090 until I see independent reviews.

I hope so, but how often has it been the case a company acting like this is hiding a great product?

5070 will probably come down to how much one values all the dlss and ai features on top. One man's great value (me) is another man's "fake frames".

Sedgey123 · 2025-01-07T04:20:14+0000

Purgatory said:
DLSS 3.5 is what a 40 series supports.

DLSS 4 is 50 series only.

I think you need to go onto the Nvidia website and go to the DLSS section.. it's all there in black and white that DLSS 4 is supported on 4000 series cards and below to 2000 series.

It's just that specific technologies aren't available to all

Purgatory · 2025-01-07T04:21:25+0000

hyperseven said:
nah, I posted the feature table earlier from Nvidia. Only MFG is 50 series only.

Correct to make it fully support what Nvidia call DLSS 4 now features.

DLSS x will work on any GPU since 20 series, but doesn't mean it supports all the features in newer versions. So basically 50 series is fully DLSS 4 compliant. Which I thought we all understood.

Purgatory · 2025-01-07T04:22:00+0000

Sedgey123 said:
I think you need to go onto the Nvidia website and go to the DLSS section.. it's all there in black and white that DLSS 4 is supported on 4000 series cards and below to 2000 series.

Read what I said before this, I know this..

TNA · 2025-01-07T04:22:15+0000

Sedgey123 said:
I think you need to go onto the Nvidia website and go to the DLSS section.. it's all there in black and white that DLSS 4 is supported on 4000 series cards and below to 2000 series.

But mumtiframe gen won't be and that is where all these performance numbers used by nvidia are coming from. Using that.

Steve Bruce · 2025-01-07T04:23:51+0000

danlightbulb said:
Not sure it's marketing that's the issue really. Their CPUs are massively successful because they are industry leading performance. They don't have good GPUs and they are falling behind. Marketing ain't gonna fix that.

They fumbled the zen5 launch as well. Marketing is definitely an issue.

They do have good cards, but they ballsed up the pricing and then later had to reduce them, again marketing.

A Hyundai is a perfectly acceptable car but not at BMW pricing. That's AMDs problem, they price themselves at BMW levels when they are Hyundai level.

Sedgey123 · 2025-01-07T04:25:35+0000

I know but what I said was that the cyberpunk video was slightly misleading as they weren't doing a direct comparison of DLSS 4 on both series cards.. and Nvidia have said on there site that DLSS 4 will give a performance bump..

Of course with MFG it's going to be beaten by a long way.. I just was pointing out that it might be slightly less if it was with DLSS 4 on both

Szydero · 2025-01-07T04:28:51+0000

I will stick with my 4090, since I only play multi games i can only see one game from my steam library that will supports DLSS4 on day0. Not worth 2k for sure

The list is here: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss4-multi-frame-generation-ray-tracing-rtx-games/

Most of them are Single players, I doubt anyone would need a 200fps+ in CB77 lol

faceman123 · 2025-01-07T04:29:35+0000

Steve Bruce said:
They fumbled the zen5 launch as well. Marketing is definitely an issue.

They do have good cards, but they ballsed up the pricing and then later had to reduce them, again marketing.

A Hyundai is a perfectly acceptable car but not at BMW pricing. That's AMDs problem, they price themselves at BMW levels when they are Hyundai level.

Not for CPU they're a buggati. Not a Hyundai.

Purgatory · 2025-01-07T04:30:30+0000

Ok chaps and ladies. Time for a nap .. At least it was better than the snooze fest earlier with AMD sadly..

To top it off I still think 5090 is still priced a bit too high and the 5080.. but again they have zero competition at the moment so all part of the fun for customers... Why we need competition and need AMD to get their act together again in the dGPU market and to hope Intel do well too in the future too.

Or next gen maybe $3k and next after $4k.. if this carries on..

Night all and leather jacket man at least entertained in his alligator skin leather jacket.. Some good tech and looking forward to some reviews now by third parties to get a real sense of the uplift from previous generations.

Now looking forward to the new handhelds with new APUs in.

Perfect_Chaos · 2025-01-07T04:30:33+0000

5070Ti and step up to a Super 5080 or Ti card later might be more cost effective Vs the 5090?

Steve Bruce · 2025-01-07T04:31:46+0000

faceman123 said:
Not for CPU they're a buggati. Not a Hyundai.

Absolutely, just so it's clear, I was referring to their gpus with my analogy

Purgatory · 2025-01-07T04:36:08+0000

TNA said:
But mumtiframe gen won't be and that is where all these performance numbers used by nvidia are coming from. Using that.

Exactly... so 40 series owners don't go fire sell your cards... don't forget the 3070 is the same performance as a 2080Ti game too.... Wait for reviews and don't feed Nvidia unless you have to and need the upgrade.

They will give us new DLSS every new generation now or some other feature only the new generation has. So new shiny is not always better sometimes, depends on your use case.