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CES 2025 AMD & Nvidia Keynote Live Chat [06/01/25]

Phixsator said:
Isn't it a bit to early to say the race is over? I could understand the sentiment if nvidia's new offerings was available right now but they aren't. All we know is what nvidia is willing to sell their new offerings for and when they are available. Performance is still up in the air and I am 95% positive that it won't be as good as that presentation made it out to be.
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Perhaps but it's also not a bad assumption.

I mean 5070 is 550 where does AMD go? Let's be realistic i don't forsee FS4 being 2x perf so NV will still have the edge there. AMD has to release 4 let's say that again FOUR cards at sub 500 to be competitive. AMDs own slides say their top card will be 7900xt level...which the 4070ti performance.

The 4070ti is around 20% faster than the 4070. The 5070 is 20% faster than the 4070. That means AMDs BEST card is 5070 level of performance, and this is using bith companies own slides.

How the hell does AMD fit 4 cards in that line up?

No one will be a 9070xt if it's the same price as Nvidia. AMD will need to sell it at 500 or under, even then people will likely just spend the extra to get Nvidia.

IMO the 9070xt needs to be 450 or under to stand a chance.

I don't see how AMD competes this generation, I wouldn't he surprised if they scrap. 2 of the cards and only release 2 this generation.

EDIT - Just to add Nvidia have held back the 5060 just to crap on AMD when they do announce there's.
 
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Daytrader said:
Well not sure really, completed listings on fleabay seem to be £1600/£1500, mine for sure would be one of the best 4090's going(powered on for just hours and was in retail box for a year before i even opened it), dont know why they still going for that price.
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Probably because there is nothing better and they have stopped making them.
 
kieran_read said:
Perhaps but it's also not a bad assumption.

I mean 5070 is 550 where does AMD go? Let's be realistic i don't forsee FS4 being 2x perf so NV will still have the edge there. AMD has to release 4 let's say that again FOUR cards at sub 500 to be competitive. AMDs own slides say their top card will be 7900xt level...which the 4070ti performance.

The 4070ti is around 20% faster than the 4070. The 5070 is 20% faster than the 4070. That means AMDs BEST card is 5070 level of performance, and this is using bith companies own slides.

How the hell does AMD fit 4 cards in that line up?

No one will be a 9070xt if it's the same price as Nvidia. AMD will need to sell it at 500 or under, even then people will likely just spend the extra to get Nvidia.

IMO the 9070xt needs to be 450 or under to stand a chance.

I don't see how AMD competes this generation, I wouldn't he surprised if they scrap. 2 of the cards and only release 2 this generation.

EDIT - Just to add Nvidia have held back the 5060 just to crap on AMD when they do announce there's.
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Remember back when a x70 class card was 330? Sure we've had some inflation since but don't be fooled, most of the price hike is also just the companies(all of them) taking us for a ride.

450 for 9070XT
375 for 9070
325 for the 9060XT
275 for the 9060

Shouldn't be that hard to archive unless AMD has ffed up and their design is much more expensive to produce than what you would be anticipating for a midrange card. This is of course a possibility. I just don't see the reason for all the doom and gloom yet.
 
Phixsator said:
Remember back when a x70 class card was 330? Sure we've had some inflation since but don't be fooled, most of the price hike is also just the companies(all of them) taking us for a ride.

450 for 9070XT
375 for 9070
325 for the 9060XT
275 for the 9060

Shouldn't be that hard to archive unless AMD has ffed up and their design is much more expensive to produce than what you would be anticipating for a midrange card. This is of course a possibility. I just don't see the reason for all the doom and gloom yet.
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But the stated uplift of the RX9070XT over the RX7800XT in the press deck is about the same as the RX6700XT over the RX5700XT and less than the RX7800XT over the RX6700XT.

Hence,it was always a £480 and less card. So,why AMD has to play a gaming of 4D chess regarding this is perplexing.
 
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amd's value proposition with the 90 series has been completely nullified
ai - amd, no chance
rt - amd, no chance
raster - amd, no chance
and nvidia werent really trying hard this gen, so...
depending on whether nvidia has enough quantity to satisy demand, amd may have to take a fringe role for the next 2 years
and then the dreaded shift to 3nm and amd again have to climb out of the hole..
its a classic case study on how the competitor has completely outinnovated them
 
Phixsator said:
Remember back when a x70 class card was 330? Sure we've had some inflation since but don't be fooled, most of the price hike is also just the companies(all of them) taking us for a ride.

450 for 9070XT
375 for 9070
325 for the 9060XT
275 for the 9060

Shouldn't be that hard to archive unless AMD has ffed up and their design is much more expensive to produce than what you would be anticipating for a midrange card. This is of course a possibility. I just don't see the reason for all the doom and gloom yet.
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Perhaps but 450 is the correct price adjusting for inflation, that excludes all other increase with internal costs such as R&D 330 in 2016 is 450 today.

4000 series was a ride, 5000 series is actually a little better for inflation, i paid 800 for my 1080ti adjusting for inflation on the Bank of England website 800 in 2016 is 1074 today so at least for the card I'm looking at it's cheaper when adjusting for inflation.

It really depends what level your looking at, the lower end is a bad deal, the super high end is a bad deal but the 5080 is actually lower than inflation.

Either way i don't see how AMD is going to get anywhere they are playing 4D chess on a glass table and Nvidia has a hammer. They still have a 5060 and 5060ti to announce.
 
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kieran_read said:
Perhaps but 450 is the correct price adjusting for inflation, that excludes all other increase with internal vosts such as R&D 330 in 2016 is 450 today.

4000 series was a ride, 5000 series is actually a little better for inflation, i paid 800 for my 1080ti adjusting for inflation on the Bank of England website 800 in 2016 is 1074 today so at least for the card in looking at it's cheaper when adjusting for inflation.

It really depends what level your looking at, the lower end is a bad deal, the super high end is a bad deal but the 5080 is actually lower than inflation.

Either way i don't see how AMD is going to get anywhere they are playing 4D chess on a glass table an Nvidia has a hammer. They still have a 5060 and 5060ti to announce.
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I paid 620 quid(20% of that is tax) for my 1080ti very shortly after it released. An Inno3d x2, horrible cooler.

Time will tell. It's pretty simple in the end. Either AMD manages to compete or they don't. They have clearly shown they wont compete for maximum performance so they only have price/performance left. If they fail well so be it, but I don't believe anyone here is able to say yet if they will or not but as usual all the doom and gloomers are out in full force.

I personally hope for a well priced 9070XT/NON XT. It would mean solid gaming for a lot of people. My 6950XT will live on for another generation it seems unless something unexpected happens.
 
Phixsator said:
I paid 620 quid(20% of that is tax) for my 1080ti very shortly after it released. An Inno3d x2, horrible cooler.

Time will tell. It's pretty simple in the end. Either AMD manages to compete or they don't. They have clearly shown they wont compete for maximum performance so they only have price/performance left. If they fail well so be it, but I don't believe anyone here is able to say yet if they will or not but as usual all the doom and gloomers are out in full force.

I personally hope for a well priced 9070XT/NON XT. It would mean solid gaming for a lot of people. My 6950XT will live on for another generation it seems unless something unexpected happens.
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100% the entry level is in dire need of a shake up so hopefully they can bring some much needed competition.
 
Those prices of the 5000 series :cry: as if anyone will actually get any of them for that price.

Sure a few might snag them from Nvidia's website at that price but will quickly and purposely be "out of stock" then left to all the other providers who will absolutely jack up prices.

Its going to be an interesting show that's for sure!
 
Nevakonaza said:
Those prices of the 5000 series :cry: as if anyone will actually get any of them for that price.

Sure a few might snag them from Nvidia's website at that price but will quickly and purposely be "out of stock" then left to all the other providers who will absolutely jack up prices.

Its going to be an interesting show that's for sure!
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I would be very surprised if that DIDNT happen :P
 
Nevakonaza said:
Those prices of the 5000 series :cry: as if anyone will actually get any of them for that price.

Sure a few might snag them from Nvidia's website at that price but will quickly and purposely be "out of stock" then left to all the other providers who will absolutely jack up prices.

Its going to be an interesting show that's for sure!
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So your saying they are too cheap lol.
 
Nevakonaza said:
Those prices of the 5000 series :cry: as if anyone will actually get any of them for that price.

Sure a few might snag them from Nvidia's website at that price but will quickly and purposely be "out of stock" then left to all the other providers who will absolutely jack up prices.

Its going to be an interesting show that's for sure!
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This ain't the mining boom, unless stock is really limited, they should last a fair bit. 4090 was in stock days on end a few months later.
 
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