Chinese cars

[Simon]

Well that's the choice.
Do You lower tariffs to get serious on hitting green targets. Or do you protect the economy? Which will suffer if we don't have to world wide net climate improvement?

Is BYD not subject to nearly 20pc tariffs?
Edit: that's EU. Looks like UK is only 10pc.
In which case they aren't really in the running.

Aside. Why not buy one now? I'd never fork out 45k for a car. I still require used EVs with decent ranges to drop well below 20k to even consider getting one.

Although our current car is on its last legs so may need to think about what comes next.

Green targets are not really about just flooding the market with cheap cars and exporting your carbon.

A second hand buyer. So tariffs, new car prices etc are irrelevant to you. Always people expecting others to buy new cars so they can get them later. It’s a weird thing people think a car is good value for money etc based on new price but actually never intend to buy said car new and hence have zero impact on new car sales

We should have local produced cars that aren’t shipped half way across the world in diesel burning cargo ships if you really wanted to worry about the climate. Win win

 

[b0rn2sk8]

As ever?! Get real pal. I peaked over last few years and recently have some absolutely clown comments, no replies to salient points and other saying I don’t have a job. So you’ll have to forgive my lack of GAF for the new breed of musk sympathising armchair politicians. You still think your opinions are facts so no need to debate as I can’t get to your level of ignorance. My value is correction of the clueless.

Take a break, sounds like you need it.

I assume your comment about being a musk sympathiser isn’t aimed at me given I don’t think I’ve posted anything positive about Musk for quite some time, long before his current outburst. If I had it certainly wasn’t intentional.

 

[413x]

So basically your view of a new car purchase and existing brand power compared to new china stuff is basically irrelevant.

Basically yes.

Green targets are not really about just flooding the market with cheap cars and exporting your carbon.

A second hand buyer. So tariffs, new car prices etc are irrelevant to you. Always people expecting others to buy new cars so they can get them later. It’s a weird thing people think a car is good value for money etc based on new price but actually never intend to buy said car new and hence have zero impact on new car sales

We should have local produced cars that aren’t shipped half way across the world in diesel burning cargo ships if you really wanted to worry about the climate. Win win

You'd expect new price to be reflective of used price on average. Sure some cars tank. In price and others hold their value we'll. But all being equal you'd expect the cheapest cars made today to still be the cheapest in 10 years time.

Actually just had a look at used evs. Wow. The prices really have cratered.
The range I want seems a lot more affordable than a year ago.

And yes, I do expect people to want their brand new cars at that premium on subscription so that I can get one at a decent price later.
That works For everyone.


Cars produced in the UK would be so expensive they wouldn't sell.
You'd have to whack such high tariffs to make competitors cost comparable.

Also.
Wouldn't we have to import all the raw Materials anyway?

 

[Simon]

Loads of cars are produced in uk and sell?

Yes parts need moving around but you can localise a lot. Create jobs for the assembly AND suppliers. Even UK make parts for EU built cars. Remember a car is full of air too. Not very efficient to move.

The rest of your points I don’t really understand. New cars Premium on subscription so other people can get them cheap? Why’s tariffs do anything to second hand cars. VAT changes didn’t