Confirmed: Windows Blue Will Be Free, to Be Called 8.1

I actually think my idea would work fine. The context is provided by the way you open the app, either by traditional means or touch. This manages people's expectations automatically.

The problem with segregating 'desktop' and 'metro' styles of working is that one of the biggest strengths of the platform is that you can mix input methods on the fly. Anybody who has used a Windows 8 touch screen laptop will know that it actually works well.

ah I see I interpreted it incorrectly at first, separating out the click, and tap yes I see what you mean, I was coming at that from the point of view of your typical desktop pc rather than considering the larger picture including touch screens. And yeah we've had some tablets in recently and they are quite good to use, infact tbh I found myself not bothering to much with desktop side when using them, even though they are x86 tablets. But given you can use the mouse in metro, does it then reverse the situation and take you back to the desktop if you click rather than double tap, this Is really only an issue on a desktop or laptop with a touchscreen, or anything opened in metro is opened in metro to keep it simple, the desktop is only where the exception exists.

I wonder if on the back of these thoughts then if there is some merit that during setup you can choose whether you have touch screen etc, a simple couple questions that invoke a default template that sets the file associations in line with your input method and predicted usage, its never going to be perfect though.
 
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The photo app is useless, but it's getting a massive overhaul in 8.1 as outlined in the article posted a page or so ago.

But there are plenty of apps that are a million times better than the desktop version, look at audible and netflix for a start. Then news apps etc.
 
But given you can use the mouse in metro, does it then reverse the situation and take you back to the desktop if you click rather than double tap, this Is really only an issue on a desktop or laptop with a touchscreen, or anything opened in metro is opened in metro to keep it simple, the desktop is only where the exception exists.

I wonder if on the back of these thoughts then if there is some merit that during setup you can choose whether you have touch screen etc, a simple couple questions that invoke a default template that sets the file associations in line with your input method and predicted usage, its never going to be perfect though.

I'm strictly talking about opening files from the desktop/File Explorer. If you're already in metro, you would stay in metro. In fact, in metro there aren't that many opportunities to fall foul of default programs because you have limited exposure to the file system. The vast majority of the time you are already in the app you want to use. It's an app-first rather than file-first workflow.

So yes, an example would be a picture file and a video file on the desktop. If you double click the picture and/or video file it would open up in the normal desktop previewer and/or Windows Media Player respectively. If you double tapped the picture/video it would open up in the touch-centric picture app/Xbox video instead. This would stop desktop and non-touch users getting p***ed off at files getting opened in full-screen apps.

Case in point: Internet Explorer. Windows 8 gets a lot of stick for having two versions of IE, but it's a necessary evil. If you click a link in a Word document it will open in the metro style IE. That's almost certainly not what you want. Now imagine if you CLICK the link it opens in desktop IE, and if you TAP the link it opens in the metro style IE. Wouldn't having two versions then make a lot more sense?

Intelligent default programs based on the way you open files would also cut down a lot of the 'jumping' in and out of metro, another big complaint of desktop users.

Bear in mind that this is NOT the same as 'disabling' or avoiding metro. If the user is opening a file from the desktop AND using a mouse/keyboard command to do so, then it is obvious that they have chosen a desktop-oriented approach and that should be reflected in defaulting to the appropriate app(lication). If you open a file from the desktop with a touch gesture, then you are obviously comfortable with the input method and it's implicit that you wish to work on the data in this way. Of course, these are just default suggestions and could be changed easily just as you normally would.

Is this detracting from/discouraging use of metro style apps 'on' the desktop i.e. snap view? No, not at all. If you see value in a metro app, you will use it. And yes you can use metro style apps perfectly well with a keyboard and mouse, but remember we're only talking about default programs from the desktop.

The problem with a setup-based install option (aside from the fact it would have to be a per-user selection and not a system wide default) is - what would you select for a hybrid device? You wouldn't necessarily want or be able to choose up front which you prefer. My suggestion would be consistent, require no set-up, scale across all form factors and scenarios and be easy to teach. It would become just a normal convention. Click for WIMP, touch for touch.
 
LOL. The news app is utter crap as well. Browsing Sky News (cringe) headlines and found a whopping 16 duplicates.

The article about Angelina's boobs came up 4 times and the video about her boobs it is there 5 times. :D

Also do they only update the live tile every 48 hours or something? It's even passed midnight and the useless so called "live" tile is still telling me "More than 1700 held as turkey protests rage on". My internet has been connected all day and it says news was updated a minute ago?
 
The photo app is useless, but it's getting a massive overhaul in 8.1 as outlined in the article posted a page or so ago.

But there are plenty of apps that are a million times better than the desktop version, look at audible and netflix for a start. Then news apps etc.

Please note all readers, this is classed as opinion, not fact.

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LOL. The news app is utter crap as well. Browsing Sky News (cringe) headlines and found a whopping 16 duplicates.

The article about Angelina's boobs came up 4 times and the video about her boobs it is there 5 times.

Also do they only update the live tile every 48 hours or something? It's even passed midnight and the useless so called "live" tile is still telling me "More than 1700 held as turkey protests rage on". My internet has been connected all day and it says news was updated a minute ago?

I'm sure some of these apps will get better over time as people learn to code them, that is before Microsoft realise there is a big security flaw in them and stops supporting them in 2 Operating System's time...
 
Please note all readers, this is classed as opinion, not fact.
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No it is fact, go look at the desktop version of audible then the metro version of audible.
There are plenty of apps that are far better than the desktop equivalents, as apps on mobile devices have had a lot of design and effort out into them, as its the most profitable area, where the desktop has been left in the dark as well as being harder to design for.

desktop cant even see my books without going to the website,l let alone discover new books or well anything
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Yep desktop is clearly better for all software, its just opinion that its far worse designed and also just opinion that its missing a ton of features.

or lets have a look at Netflix.
I wonder which one I can see what quality and audible stream it has? or which one I have to scroll down to view anything?
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Media consumption apps, have had a lot of design over three eco systems, there apps nearly always surpass the desktop/website equivalent. Use the best for each task, for me that's clearly metro for media consumption and desktop for games/office type tasks. Where work/office/games(large pc type games, rather than crappy flash like games) have not been developed for iOS/android and haven't really been developed for metro either, so these are still far better on desktop.
 
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Indeed. Desktop > touch apps.

Lol, do you just ignore all sense of logic, or have you actually not played with a variety of apps. Or even looked at the post above yours.

They aren't purly touch apps either, neither my laptop or desktop are touch enabled and yet for certain tasks metro apps are still far far superior.
 
where the desktop has been left in the dark as well as being harder to design for.

are you speaking as a developer when you say this? i don't think so....

desktop cant even see my books without going to the website,l let alone discover new books or well anything

well done you. you've found an appalling desktop app with no functionality whatsoever. believe it or not, this isn't a limitation of the underlying technology but rather incompetence/laziness of the developers.
 
I hardly found one have I, and the reason is irrelevant. I never said it was a restriction of the desktop, so no idea why you said that.

Some people are saying the desktop is always better, it clearly isn't.
Netflix is a big anime with a reasonable website, yet the metro app still wins hands down.

Of course desktop is harder to design for, it is open ended.
Metro has restrictions and guidlines, making it far easier to prigram for and look good on multiple hardware configurations.

This developer behaviur is getting more and more common, to use most of their resources on the mobile apps. Which makes sense as they are the prevailing devices used these days to look at such data. The market is only accelerating for these devices and contracting for traditional computers. So expect the split to become greater.
 
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well done you. you've found an appalling desktop app with no functionality whatsoever. believe it or not, this isn't a limitation of the underlying technology but rather incompetence/laziness of the developers.

To be fair, that was exactly his point. We all hear about how apparently useless metro apps are and yet some are richer and more convenient than their desktop equivalent.

He said plenty of apps are better, not all. Which is a legitimate view. Whether that's down to the developers' laziness or not is moot.
 
I'm strictly talking about opening files from the desktop/File Explorer. If you're already in metro, you would stay in metro. In fact, in metro there aren't that many opportunities to fall foul of default programs because you have limited exposure to the file system. The vast majority of the time you are already in the app you want to use. It's an app-first rather than file-first workflow.

So yes, an example would be a picture file and a video file on the desktop. If you double click the picture and/or video file it would open up in the normal desktop previewer and/or Windows Media Player respectively. If you double tapped the picture/video it would open up in the touch-centric picture app/Xbox video instead. This would stop desktop and non-touch users getting p***ed off at files getting opened in full-screen apps.

Case in point: Internet Explorer. Windows 8 gets a lot of stick for having two versions of IE, but it's a necessary evil. If you click a link in a Word document it will open in the metro style IE. That's almost certainly not what you want. Now imagine if you CLICK the link it opens in desktop IE, and if you TAP the link it opens in the metro style IE. Wouldn't having two versions then make a lot more sense?

Intelligent default programs based on the way you open files would also cut down a lot of the 'jumping' in and out of metro, another big complaint of desktop users.

Bear in mind that this is NOT the same as 'disabling' or avoiding metro. If the user is opening a file from the desktop AND using a mouse/keyboard command to do so, then it is obvious that they have chosen a desktop-oriented approach and that should be reflected in defaulting to the appropriate app(lication). If you open a file from the desktop with a touch gesture, then you are obviously comfortable with the input method and it's implicit that you wish to work on the data in this way. Of course, these are just default suggestions and could be changed easily just as you normally would.

Is this detracting from/discouraging use of metro style apps 'on' the desktop i.e. snap view? No, not at all. If you see value in a metro app, you will use it. And yes you can use metro style apps perfectly well with a keyboard and mouse, but remember we're only talking about default programs from the desktop.

The problem with a setup-based install option (aside from the fact it would have to be a per-user selection and not a system wide default) is - what would you select for a hybrid device? You wouldn't necessarily want or be able to choose up front which you prefer. My suggestion would be consistent, require no set-up, scale across all form factors and scenarios and be easy to teach. It would become just a normal convention. Click for WIMP, touch for touch.

I'm with you now, yeah that seems like a good idea to me, my version just added complications elsewhere.
 
The photo app is useless, but it's getting a massive overhaul in 8.1 as outlined in the article posted a page or so ago.

But there are plenty of apps that are a million times better than the desktop version, look at audible and netflix for a start. Then news apps etc.

yup I use those myself and others, the only reason I don't use the Netflix over the desktop webbrowser method is for hola unblocker otherwise I prefer the metro app.
 
Anyone if the new "Aggregated search" will include email?

Also, does this mean that thanks to the "moaners", my desktop is now stuck with a pointless "tip" taking up taskbar space?
 
Please let this be true and please let's see it on tablets and pcs

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-5...let-you-secure-folders-with-your-fingerprint/
Windows 8.1 will have a couple of tricks up its sleeve for people who use fingerprint readers.
One of Monday's sessions at Microsoft's Tech-Ed conference highlighted the support that Windows 8.1 will offer for fingerprint recognition, as described by The Verge. Prior versions of Windows handled fingerprint readers through third-party software. But Windows 8.1 will be the first edition of Windows to natively support the technology.
Users will be able to log into their PCs via a Microsoft Account, purchase apps, and open different programs with a swipe of the finger. They'll even be able to lock down certain folders so they're accessible only through a fingerprint.
Microsoft is "working very closely" with two or three manufacturers to outfit Windows 8.1 with the necessary fingerprint support, according to The Verge. The company is also asking more manufacturers to outfit their laptops, tablets, keyboards, and mice with fingerprint readers.
"You'll begin to see these be more pervasively available just to make it that much easier to log in to Windows," Microsoft's Stephen Rose said, The Verge added.

Also native wifi hotspot :) announced, direct wifi printing and a host of other networking features that should have been included for several years.
 
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Please let this be true and please let's see it on tablets and pcs

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-5...let-you-secure-folders-with-your-fingerprint/


Also native wifi hotspot :) announced, direct wifi printing and a host of other networking features that should have been included for several years.


Nothing there for joe blogs and I hope their fingerprint recognition is better then their last one as it got hacked with in months.

All mobile OS already has Wi-Fi hotspot ect for years. MS need to get something no one else have to start gaining customers.
 
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