'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane

Not sure where you've got the impression from I'm saying it was an assassination or that the mission goal was to bring down the plane......................

I'm not discounting the most likely explanation but I've always had some suspicion that the Iranian angle holds more merit than generally accepted and without any real progress on the mostly likely one I think it raises the possibility of another alternative explanation possibly being the right one a little bit.

While largely likely to be coincidence and somewhat unverified there are a number of factors that could loosely indicate there is something to it:

-Obviously there are the 2 Iranians on false documentation - I doubt that is particularly unusual in itself you could probably pick any flight at random and find someone on it that isn't who they seem.

-Questionable (Iranian linked) background of the person who bought their tickets.

-Group onboard whose business links could potentially include sensitive links to Iran (likely coincidence but combined with the above while a long shot could be something to it).

-The nature of the way the plane went "dark" and subsequent manoeuvres are unusual for the more common outcomes of an accident or hijacking and potentially point to a professional involvement whether an employee or "other".

-Multiple unverified sightings of a possible passenger jet (outside of normal routes) around the general vicinity of the Maldives that loosely fits the timeframe including I believe a US or French naval vessel that briefly tracked an unidentified object that could have been a passenger jet.

-The satellite calculations have a certain amount of "dead reckoning" based on eliminating other possibilities and/or using the most likely context for non-deterministic data - some of the elimination factors have subsequently been found to be possible to explain in other ways.

-Reports of Iranian naval assets leaving a port in Oman unexpectedly and heading in that general direction again loosely fitting the timeline if the plane had been flying that way. (more than likely just coincidence but still).

-I believe the last known manoeuvre put it on a heading loosely west as well though nothing to say that couldn't have changed.

Some of these might have been discounted in the months since as I've not really followed up on it beyond a brief look into it at the time. As to the purpose and what the actual plan was assuming there even is anything to it at all I'd barely hazard a guess but its not the first time stuff of this nature has been done at a state sponsored level especially by the Russians as pointed out above and the Israelis.
 
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Kidnap who in a traditional way? - I'm not drawing any specific conclusions just used some examples as to possibilities - I've even italicised and/or used specific wording to show that they are just examples.
 
It seems like an extremely high risk way of doing it, though. It doesn't seem like the best way, by a big margin.
Well, if the main theory that the pilot did it (in the sense made the plane disappear), then it doesn't take much additional work to say, put somebody in the cabin to spike the guy you want alive to sleep and then asphyxiate everyone else.

I'm not saying this is what happened! But it wouldn't be that tricky to do for a specialist team if a sole pilot can make a plane disappear off the face of the planet in the way it did.

And it gives you the luxury of much more time before say a government might move to protect it's secrets/assets, compared to someone just disappearing off the street.

Personally, I feel the longer it goes by without them finding it off Australia, the more likely it is that it did go via the Maldives.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...alaysia-Airlines-flight-MH370-hunt-off-target
 
Stop being so ridiculously vague, just so you can refute anything by saying you didn't say that. If it's not to kill anyone, or kidnap anyone... what was the reasoning behind it? You must be able to suggest rough ideas... it doesn't have to be a complete explanation, but give us something other than, 'someone did it somehow for some reason'.

I'm not being (intentionally) ridiculously vague - there is no evidence to support any mission specifics - but there is some potential support for an alternative theory that it went down somewhere in the approximate area of the Maldives - which with the lack of progress in the current search area IMO is a tiny bit more likely as another explanation and one as I mentioned around the time a theory I feel has some potential merit - combined with other aspects there is the potential for there being an Iranian aspect to it - none the least as to why it would head in that general direction if it did so and if there is an official Iranian angle to it would tend to narrow down the mission parameters but anything more specific would be purely guesswork.
 
Well, if the main theory that the pilot did it (in the sense made the plane disappear), then it doesn't take much additional work to say, put somebody in the cabin to spike the guy you want alive to sleep and then asphyxiate everyone else.

being asleep doesn't let you survive without oxygen....

so now you need not one but two long term staff converted to "operatives" willing to leave all their friends and family behind for ever and become mas murderers?

or were the pilot and the cabin staff long term sleeper agents set up ina random airline in the hopes they may be useful some many years in future?
 
I could speculate but I'd be purely pulling an idea of out thin air...

There are potential links in known data (even if some of its unverified) that could in combination point to another alternative explanation which personally I favour over the current one while at the same time not considering the current one invalid.
 
being asleep doesn't let you survive without oxygen....

so now you need not one but two long term staff converted to "operatives" willing to leave all their friends and family behind for ever and become mas murderers?

or were the pilot and the cabin staff long term sleeper agents set up ina random airline in the hopes they may be useful some many years in future?
Given the rumours of lax network security on modern planes these days and how governments securities forces are usually years ahead in exploiting these sorts of things it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility for a passenger to control the plane killing everyone but themselves and the target. I'm not saying that's what happened, but from the point of view of making somebody disappear, and keeping them disappeared (16months later now) it's a very good and public way of doing it such that it looks like a genuine air crash.

As it stands currently, they've already searched over 200,000km2 in the basic seabed survey and 60,000km2 of that with detailed sonar surveys and by the end of this year, they'll basically have run out of area to search according to the satellite data and flight duration models.
 
Yes, but now there are these bits of information that point to a potential other story... it's completely reasonable to ask you to speculate in terms of what the motivation would be. Is my list reasonable? Anything to add to that?

Edit :: and it's not asking you to pull things out of thin air. You point to Iranian state involvement/Iranian nationals potentially being involved/etc... so there's that starting point.

If you are so keen you speculate...
 
Given the rumours of lax network security on modern planes these days and how governments securities forces are usually years ahead in exploiting these sorts of things it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility for a passenger to control the plane killing everyone but themselves and the target. I'm not saying that's what happened, but from the point of view of making somebody disappear, and keeping them disappeared (16months later now) it's a very good and public way of doing it such that it looks like a genuine air crash.

As it stands currently, they've already searched over 200,000km2 in the basic seabed survey and 60,000km2 of that with detailed sonar surveys and by the end of this year, they'll basically have run out of area to search according to the satellite data and flight duration models.


Smuggling the pressurised oxygen mask and cylinders might be difficult....
 
Smuggling the pressurised oxygen mask and cylinders might be difficult....

Getting respiratory equipment onboard in a medical scenario is possible - however oxygen cylinders not so much (not at all) but with the relevant medical certificate you can get hooked into the onboard supplemental oxygen system.
 
I think one of the main "odd" issues with this incident is the transponder turning off. Even if the pilots were incapacitated it doesn't explain that
 
The masks don't last long. They're chemical reaction based for most, iirc. As opposed to the flight crew ones which are based on tanks.
They don't need to last long, 10-15 minutes, they're designed to give someone enough air to last until the planes reaches an altitude with enough oxygen again. If you're flying at 40k feet and the cabin has an un-announced depressurisation everyone just goes to sleep and given long enough 10+ minutes I think like that they'll never come round again. Someone in the know can prepare for that with breathing excersises then pop on a mask from above, put a mask on anyone else they want to keep alive and once enough time has passed drop the plane to a lower altitude. They can also just keep popping a new face mask as they all have their own individual chemical unit.

I suspect though that the valves that maintain air pressure can only physically be operated from the cockpit, rather than the possibility of someone external being able to take control of them. Wouldn't be surprised if it was possible though given that some modern cars can now be hacked via wifi/gsm and take direct control of the likes of brakes and so on.
 
as far i know, the only way to disable/turn off the transponder is physically remove the fuse from its circuit. i might be wrong.

fire could damage the circuit, or totally knock off all comm aerial/sat. there were totally zero communications from the aircraft which is more 'odd' than the transponder itself

remember the air france crash, the plane sent out the whole lot of details automatically.
 
one quick question about the 'ping'

did the engine ping out or the Immarsat ping to the the engine?

thats where i dont understand. can anyone explain pls?
 
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