Core 9000 series

orbitalwalsh · 8 Oct 2018 at 13:49

SiDeards73 said:
But but everyone says you dont need a Z390 board to run a 9900K???!! well ok you dont need one, but surely the Z370 will allow you to OC a 9900k to its maximum potential right... right????

if ou've got a flagship Z370- will be fine...

still need a damn cooler on it, prime at 5ghz with a £40 air cooler soon sees it reset its self

Distracted said:
What is the z390 chipset bringing over z370? Is it just integrated usb 3?

basically H370 in Z form - and then realising need a lot more phase and power!

honestly Z390 was on the design boards even before z370 shipped

Distracted · 8 Oct 2018 at 13:52

Huh. Not a lot then. Ty.

SiDeards73 · 8 Oct 2018 at 13:55

orbitalwalsh said:
if ou've got a flagship Z370- will be fine...

still need a damn cooler on it, prime at 5ghz with a £40 air cooler soon sees it reset its self

basically H370 in Z form - and then realising need a lot more phase and power!

honestly Z390 was on the design boards even before z370 shipped

I thought the Solder was going to make these chips a doddle to keep cooled, and allow 5.3ghz on air or a decent AIO

so potentially all the solder has done is actually enabled them to cram an 8/16 into a 8700k casing

and allow you to hit 5ghz... im beginning to think these chips probably wont go much past the 5ghz 24/7.

orbitalwalsh · 8 Oct 2018 at 13:57

SiDeards73 said:
I thought the Solder was going to make these chips a doddle to keep cooled, and allow 5.3ghz on air or a decent AIO so potentially all the solder has done is actually enabled them to cram an 8/16 into a 8700k casing and allow you to hit 5ghz... im beginning to think these chips probably wont go much past the 5ghz 24/7.

it helps but im guessing the share heat 8 cores puts out when at 5.3ghz is a lot!!!!!! get to the point of die is so small for the power it holds you can only transfer so much heat away- kind of see why they wanted this on 10nm

also, 5PM should be Pre-order time... not like Forest doing it now

IT Troll · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:03

orbitalwalsh said:
it helps but im guessing the share heat 8 cores puts out when at 5.3ghz is a lot!!!!!! get to the point of die is so small for the power it holds you can only transfer so much heat away- kind of see why they wanted this on 10nm

Wouldn't you have the same problem on 10nm? OK, the heat and power us reduced somewhat, but you are concentrating it into an even smaller die.

Silent_Scone · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:07

SiDeards73 said:
I thought the Solder was going to make these chips a doddle to keep cooled, and allow 5.3ghz on air or a decent AIO so potentially all the solder has done is actually enabled them to cram an 8/16 into a 8700k casing and allow you to hit 5ghz... im beginning to think these chips probably wont go much past the 5ghz 24/7.

5.3 for 8 cores is not happening.

Expect lower for AVX, too

IT Troll · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:15

Non-captive live stream for the launch (starting in 45 mins).

https://livestream.com/accounts/6737505/events/8398696/player

VincentHanna · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:17

orbitalwalsh said:
seems aorus/Gigabyte boards are all 4+8 CPU pin and Master is 8+8

8+4 is fine for overclocking isn't it? 8+8 is more for LN2 style overclocks, right?

Anyone know what the MSI z390 Gaming Pro Carbon has in terms of CPU pin?

andy_mk3 · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:18

IT Troll said:
Non-captive live stream for the launch (starting in 45 mins).

https://livestream.com/accounts/6737505/events/8398696/player

I excite. Typically though, at 3pm I have to go out ffs

orbitalwalsh · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:19

IT Troll said:
Wouldn't you have the same problem on 10nm? OK, the heat and power us reduced somewhat, but you are concentrating it into an even smaller die.

true, leads me to believe first 10nm chips wont be great haha

Silent_Scone said:
5.3 for 8 cores is not happening.

Expect lower for AVX, too

seen the Ultra and Strix do it - will post up the snap shot after the NDA as i'm not getting slapped for it

lucky of the draw for chips , but games fine for ones that can - and yes AVX will need a good offset

IT Troll · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:21

VincentHanna said:
8Anyone know what the MSI z390 Gaming Pro Carbon has in terms of CPU pin?

It's 8+4. I think all their MPG line have 8+4, whilst MEG have 8+8.

VincentHanna · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:22

0121danwilliams84 · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:27

much point changing from 8700k to 9900k for 1440p gaming?

RavenXXX2 · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:29

0121danwilliams84 said:
much point changing from 8700k to 9900k for 1440p gaming?

Errr no.

Distracted · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:30

It depends on the game and your gpu

With a 2080ti the 9900k might make a difference over the 8700k at higher frames, possibly even 2080 or 1080ti but it's a big chunk of change for a small improvement.

I would say it isn't worth it.

orbitalwalsh · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:31

slight divert

https://videocardz.com/78523/intel-to-announce-core-i9-9900xe-basin-falls-refresh-cpu

is meant to be 22 core chip for this platform, and new x299 boards aka Master and Meg

why oh why there is a core version.... cheaper to grab 8700 non k and h370 for workstation requirements

Silent_Scone · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:32

orbitalwalsh said:
seen the Ultra and Strix do it

So have I, but those clocks are fairly conditional.

subbytna · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:32

String said:
Am I the only person who is utterly sick of the price whine in almost every post? We get it, hardware is expensive!

I'm still interested in the spec and performance, so looking forward to concrete details from Intel.

People will moan at pricing, but when you factor that you'll DEFFO need a cooler (for new platform buyers) to run these, then that's at LEAST another 50quid on top of the chip price. Then it starts to get daft...but people will stull buy it. See Nvidia and Titan GPUs. Intel seeing how much they can raise the price and people will still buy.

0121danwilliams84 · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:37

Distracted said:
It depends on the game and your gpu

With a 2080ti the 9900k might make a difference over the 8700k at higher frames, possibly even 2080 or 1080ti but it's a big chunk of change for a small improvement.

I would say it isn't worth it.

I don't get bottlenecked (the gpu stays at 99-100%) but cpu usage goes to 100% in AC Odyssey. But I am guessing that is badly optimized. Running a 1080 ti.

Dirk Diggler · 8 Oct 2018 at 14:38

subbytna said:
People will moan at pricing, but when you factor that you'll DEFFO need a cooler (for new platform buyers) to run these, then that's at LEAST another 50quid on top of the chip price. Then it starts to get daft...but people will stull buy it. See Nvidia and Titan GPUs. Intel seeing how much they can raise the price and people will still buy.

I get all that, I really do. The point I'm making is that there's nothing to be said that hasn't been said a hundred times by now and it's not just CPUs and it's not just Intel.

Anyway, it's launch day so let's put the rumours to bed and get hyped.