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Core 9000 series
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Yeah I kind of assumed it was a thing but apparently not here. They just don't seem to be able to accept we're not all robots. When I see comments like "More money than sense" and "brainwashed by Intel" it just makes me laugh as I think it says more about them than the person buying a 9900k.
Same with the whole justification thing. There have been a few comments in the last few pages like "lol at the people trying to justify spending £600 on a CPU" when actually, the people with them haven't really said anything at all apart from that they are enjoying it. Again, says a lot about their own insecurities than it does about someone spending £600 on a CPU.
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I said a few weeks ago people would need the z390 boards to overclocked these chips correctly and got laughed at.
I wouldn't touch one of these chips without first doing some good research into which motherboard handles the chip the best, I certainly wouldn't put one In any low to mid range z370 and would be hesitant with a higher end z370 board as well.
Another amazing move from Intel
I wouldn't touch one of these chips without first doing some good research into which motherboard handles the chip the best, I certainly wouldn't put one In any low to mid range z370 and would be hesitant with a higher end z370 board as well.
Another amazing move from Intel
World wide warranty with it.
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Unless an upgrade is really needed then now is not a good time to be buying a new CPU IMO, not when we have proper jumps coming in the next few years, and even next year.
Yeah was almost ready to pull the trigger on a 9900K, then expectations dropped to a 9600K, then I was like, Zen 2 is only 5 months out, so going to see what that brings to the table. These 9xxx CPU's seem to be a lot more trouble than they are worth.
After my X79 Sabretooth, never again will I buy a board with a 40mm VRM fan.
Thankfully the VRM on the ASUS CH6 is damn cool!
Yeah, don't think I'd bother. Reddit thread full of disappointed.
https://twitter.com/MrEManLoL/status/1054711052070543360
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In the vid below, Tom's using a £220 Asus ROG Strix z370-e which is in the 200w range. The next step down is 150W range e.g. Strix z390-h, I'd guess that level could have problems with the 9900K full power.
He rerun the tests. They came out the same, 75C no throttling @5GHZ with power limits opened up. Note: No AVX
Thats the problem with this guy....He's spouts about low temps all over the internet even saying a decent air cooler would be fine for 9900K..Oh wait
To be fair, there's no guarantee ryzen 2 will work as well on x470 compared to new boards. There will be downsides no doubt and you're relying on a bios flash.
Yeah, don't think I'd bother. Reddit thread full of disappointed.
https://twitter.com/MrEManLoL/status/1054711052070543360
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Tad annoying if they cancel orders for no reason. I pulled the trigger on the 9900k last night when I saw it for £468. Looks like its now been pulled but as of right now, my order is still live.
amd knew they were going 8 core from the start, intel didnt. so least you know the VRM is their
In my experience touted future CPU compatibility with motherboards/CPUs has been a very mixed story and more often less useful even when there is some future "compatibility" while the chance of it is better than nothing I'd certainly not count on it until it actually happens. Board power handling capabilities are just one of the reasons it hasn't been great in the past. In other instances motherboard manufacturers have been lazy with firmware updates needed (probably due to wanting to sell new boards) and so on.
Even if by mistake MSI advertised the X470 M7 "supporting 8 core or more"?
By the way, thats the X470 board, which power delivery (12+2 phases, on 6 doublers, properly wired) putting shame to many X399 boards, including the Zenith
AMD promised CPU support on all boards until at least 2020. True biggest change is that X570 will support PCIe 4.0 but from what we know only Vega 20 and Navi support this. And is backwards compatible to Pcie 3.0 either way. Dont forget Ryzen is SOC CPU, Intel are not.
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If you get an upper tier x470 board I guess you'd be fine, wouldn't be at all certain on mid tier though. There also seems to be quite a bit of difference in performance from various slides I've seen. Sometimes margin of error differences, other times it's a good few percent. Then again, there's nothing to say this isn't ironed out on even later bios revisions on old boards as typically they use the first bios supporting the new chip plus drivers for review purposes as it's the only option.
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that and DDR5 is meant to be released in 2020 - right when Ryzen 2+ would launch ...
Where exactly do you think the older B350/450 and X370/470 boards will struggle?
AMD is targeting lower power consumption on 7nm, even if they are using HPP. I bet the majority of the boards would be able to work with the 6/12 CPU and 8/16.
What my conserns are any higher core count CPUs since the new base chip for EPYC/TR will be 16 core. If AMD brings it to the AM4, that would create issues on X370/B450/B350 boards and some X470s.
You're deflecting for the most part here... we're not talking about a kettle or a TV, we're talking about a CPU (or we should be), which has a very specific set of functions and performance metrics which you don't seem interested in, instead choosing to imbue it with an EMOTIONAL response and nothing else. It's worrying that you don't see a problem with this.
You are solely focused on this 'want' and 'excitement' angle... as though that is the only criteria for buying anything. Really? You genuinely think we should all make purchasing decisions based on pure emotion and nothing else? That said, I don't disagree that this is what a lot of people do, and all speaks to the mess society is in regards mass consumerism, zombie culture, new shiny shiny and masses of debt, but still, it goes without saying that this is a serious problem and far from healthy. Your CPU purchasing decision isn't going to change any of this, but that's besides the point.
Along with many other people, you've simply fallen in to the trap that marketeers and advertisers have designed for you, and this is EXACTLY what they want you to feel. God forbid that you actually think about a purchase sensibly... they WANT you to buy on emotion. I'd say you were 'free' to do that, which you are of course, but freedom doesn't really come in to it given the manipulation.
Why is value a "crutch"? It doesn't need to be the ONLY consideration, but it shouldn't be thrown out the window solely in favour of emotional response! What's worse here is that you seem completely oblivious to what's going on, not even questioning why something like the 9900K "excites" you. You then compound that by saying you hope most people make purchasing decisions based on emotion. WHAT?! We're intelligent adults, not mindless childlike autmotons driven purely by our emotions!
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