Core 9000 series

Robert896r1 · 25 Oct 2018 at 00:34

Legend said:
Well the benchmarks speak for themselves. Clearly the 9900k is winning out at 1080p, but as you increase res that lead diminishes significantly, and by the time you get to 4K it's practically non-existent.

Depends on your purchase window. As someone on a 5 year upgrade cycle (outside of GPU) I’m a bit annoyed that I can’t get the 9900k and have to settle for the 8086k. While they are close enough right now, in years 3-5 the extra 2 core and 2 HT’s will let stay relevant longer.

Phil2008 · 25 Oct 2018 at 01:33

Robert896r1 said:
Depends on your purchase window. As someone on a 5 year upgrade cycle (outside of GPU) I’m a bit annoyed that I can’t get the 9900k and have to settle for the 8086k. While they are close enough right now, in years 3-5 the extra 2 core and 2 HT’s will let stay relevant longer.

YEAHHHH now were getting somewhere... I personally dont buy cpus for today's apps/games, I buy whatever will last me the longest and in my price range. I for one cant be bothered with the yearly or 2yearly upgrade, I want something to last...

But saying that if the 9900k was out when I upgraded, I think I would have still of gone for the 8086k as I have never spent £600 on a cpu before, plus if I had to buy a £200+ motherboard aswel, it would have been a deffo no. Im quite happy with my 6core cpu at 4.9 and it will still last me quite a long time(cross fingers). :eek:

BTVA · 25 Oct 2018 at 02:53

the Z390 gene even has AI in the bios lol

Robert896r1 · 25 Oct 2018 at 08:04

Phil2008 said:
YEAHHHH now were getting somewhere... I personally dont buy cpus for today's apps/games, I buy whatever will last me the longest and in my price range. I for one cant be bothered with the yearly or 2yearly upgrade, I want something to last...

But saying that if the 9900k was out when I upgraded, I think I would have still of gone for the 8086k as I have never spent £600 on a cpu before, plus if I had to buy a £200+ motherboard aswel, it would have been a deffo no. Im quite happy with my 6core cpu at 4.9 and it will still last me quite a long time(cross fingers).

Most of this of this is a bigger issue due to low supply. If my 9900k does come in on time, it'll be a 100gbp difference between what I paid for the 8086k. For me, that's an acceptable delta for 2 additional cores, 2 HT's and more cache. Others have to make their own decision.

As for a 200gbp mobo, that's mostly an overclocking thing. You can just get a z390 gaming focused board, enable MCE and XMP and never touch it again and be fine.

The chip runs hot so expecting to run mid grade boards to overclock it as the "years of old" is just not a realistic expectation. It's similar to how people were complaining about having loud and large coolers on Fermi cards. It's a hot chip. Deal with it or wait for something else.

Panos · 25 Oct 2018 at 08:37

Phil2008 said:
Really? thought that was mainly the 370 boards, not the 390

Many Z390 boards are just copies of Z370 board. Even some big names like the Asus Hero is just 4 vrm board, allowing only 4.3 all core boost.
To get 4.7 all core boost you do need higher vrm count, let alone try to overclock all core 5ghz.

Distracted · 25 Oct 2018 at 08:43

Panos said:
Many Z390 boards are just copies of Z370 board. Even some big names like the Asus Hero is just 4 vrm board, allowing only 4.3 all core boost.
To get 4.7 all core boost you do need higher vrm count, let alone try to overclock all core 5ghz.

This is incorrect. The Hero board will quite happily allow considerably higher overclocks.

B1gbeard · 25 Oct 2018 at 08:57

Distracted said:
This is incorrect. The Hero board will quite happily allow considerably higher overclocks.

Aye it's got to a point where stuff is just being made up.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_rog_maximum_xi_hero_review,19.html

ViRuS2k · 25 Oct 2018 at 09:14

Its all down to the chips TDP guys be it Z390/Z370
if you run the chip at its 95w tdp it will indeed within intel spec downclock
but like the Z370 boards you can unlock the TDP limit and give the chip its proper power to not throttle and to overclock it just requires sending more juice through the VRMS...

but granted you will need with z370 boards some form of air being pushed through the VRM area to keep them cool or even better buy a MONOBLOCK

beany_bot · 25 Oct 2018 at 09:21

ViRuS2k said:
Its all down to the chips TDP guys be it Z390/Z370
if you run the chip at its 95w tdp it will indeed within intel spec downclock
but like the Z370 boards you can unlock the TDP limit and give the chip its proper power to not throttle and to overclock it just requires sending more juice through the VRMS...

but granted you will need with z370 boards some form of air being pushed through the VRM area to keep them cool or even better buy a MONOBLOCK

So basically 99% of Z390 being sold are quite simply not fit for purpose?

Panos · 25 Oct 2018 at 09:23

Distracted said:
This is incorrect. The Hero board will quite happily allow considerably higher overclocks.

Hardware unboxed video stated as such when testing. True you can bypass the 95W limit, but it would work beyond the motherboard spec.

B1gbeard · 25 Oct 2018 at 09:26

beany_bot said:
So basically 99% of Z390 being sold are quite simply not fit for purpose?

How did you come to that conclusion?

Robert896r1 · 25 Oct 2018 at 09:27

beany_bot said:
So basically 99% of Z390 being sold are quite simply not fit for purpose?

Textbook example of making things up to fit a narrative.

B1gbeard · 25 Oct 2018 at 09:30

ViRuS2k said:
Its all down to the chips TDP guys be it Z390/Z370
if you run the chip at its 95w tdp it will indeed within intel spec downclock
but like the Z370 boards you can unlock the TDP limit and give the chip its proper power to not throttle and to overclock it just requires sending more juice through the VRMS...

but granted you will need with z370 boards some form of air being pushed through the VRM area to keep them cool or even better buy a MONOBLOCK

In the review above guru3D didn't mention having to do anything apart from setting the multiplier and volts. Maybe they left something out.

Distracted · 25 Oct 2018 at 09:32

Panos said:
Hardware unboxed video stated as such when testing. True you can bypass the 95W limit, but it would work beyond the motherboard spec.

That hardware unboxed video has in the comments several notes from the guys that created it.

You'll see them backpeddling.

The top pinned comment says that they now realise that "LTT manually limited the board."

There is no issue with Asus boards except the one hardware unboxed created.

fornowagain · 25 Oct 2018 at 09:44

Panos said:
Many Z390 boards are just copies of Z370 board. Even some big names like the Asus Hero is just 4 vrm board, allowing only 4.3 all core boost.
To get 4.7 all core boost you do need higher vrm count, let alone try to overclock all core 5ghz.

This is incorrect, the Hero XI uses a new design with 8 separate drivers within high/low powerstages. Each capable of 50A. The misinformation comes from the controller using 4 PWM paired signals and no separate doublers. Overall its estimated to be more efficient design with less response lag .

BTVA · 25 Oct 2018 at 09:53

fornowagain said:
This is incorrect, the Hero XI uses a new design with 8 separate drivers within high/low powerstages. Each capable of 50A. The misinformation comes from the controller using 4 PWM paired signals and no separate doublers. Overall its estimated to be more efficient design with less response lag .

precisely, even with the Gene and Extreme, Asus uses no doublers on those boards but rather they split one signal PWM signal into 2 powerstages (IR3555M), hence with the Gene and Extreme it is "5+2" vrm desgin. The powerstages used on those board have their own driver hence by passing a doubler reduces propagation delay by around 10ns to 30ns assuming the doubler is IR3599. This is relatively a new design on Z390 motherboards from Asus, the Apex Z390 will even be crazier.
Panos this time talking before Buildzoid has any videos released, he doesn't know anything.

IT Troll · 25 Oct 2018 at 10:00

beany_bot said:
So basically 99% of Z390 being sold are quite simply not fit for purpose?

Check out the OC3D review. TTL used the most entry level board he could get his hands on and had no problems running at stock or overclocking. He also got much better temps than many other reviewers.

BTVA · 25 Oct 2018 at 10:07

apex Z390 is here
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-XI-APEX/overview/

beany_bot · 25 Oct 2018 at 10:38

Robert896r1 said:
Textbook example of making things up to fit a narrative.

What on earth you on about? Just just new here to troll? I don't have a narrative. Search back through my posts. At what point have I pushed a narrative regarding mobos? Ridiculous little pithy comment bud.

beany_bot · 25 Oct 2018 at 10:39

B1gbeard said:
How did you come to that conclusion?

From reading (on this page in fact...) that you need active cooling on the VRMs to get decent high end overclocks. I am yet to see a Z390 WITH active cooling on the VRM's.... Also yes, I expect a high end mobo to handle a high end overclock. Ergo. They are not fit for purpose.