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Thalidomide was well tested too by that logic

In the 1950s, scientists did not know that the effects of a drug could be passed through the placental barrier and impact a foetus in the womb, so the use of medications during pregnancy was not strictly controlled. And in the case of thalidomide, no tests were done involving pregnant people.

 
Thalidomide wasn't a vaccine but I was quite lucky, born in 1952 that my mother although feeling sick during pregnancy did not resort to this drug.
 
Thalidomide was well tested too by that logic
It was tested for the time and use, it wasn't tested on pregnant women.
It is also about as different in what it did and how as you can get, it's like claiming the Space Shuttle is a bird after all they could both glide.

Oddly enough testing has changed a lot over the last 70 years, in much the same way that a Mercedes Convertible is built and tested very differently to an Austin Healy 100.

MRNA vaccines had been in development and testing for something like 30 years* when Covid hit and provided a reason to massively increase the funding and resources to make the covid vaccines (they'd been running tests for years on mice to make sure the underlying technology was safe for it's use).
Given how the covid vaccine works, being as it's an inert protein that mimics one part of the covid virus, literally any reaction it might cause in a human would have at least the same chance of happening with the actual virus (on top of everything else the virus was doing to your body, and unlike the virus the vaccine is a very carefully controlled dose).



*They'd been looking at it as a way to create an ebola vaccine, and then a Sars vaccine but never got the sustained funding to do more than quite slow progress.
 
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Just wondering why people are so sure it’s safe and still getting it. Each to own.

I had 2 because I needed it to travel to see my family, had I the choice again I probably wouldn't have got it. I think for the vulnerable and immunocompromised it made sense even if it wasn't 100% safe.

But hey ho - we are where we are.

That said other than this thread I've not come across anyone that has "long covid". I'm not suggesting it doesn't exist, I'm sure like most infections it can lead to long term issues. In fact recently a friend of mine got a really bad systemic infection, turns out it was tetanus, and although treated he now has to have a pacemaker owing to damage to his heart. So I can believe that any infection even flu, can cause long term damage if you're unlucky or if it affects you particularly badly. We're all built differently and have different reactions to things.

People's health is personal, during the pandemic, restricting movement was probably the right thing to do, it seems logical, but since it was said that it doesn't help prevent the spreading of it, demonising people who chose not to have the vaccine still irritates me. I don't care about the conspiracy theories, just as much as I dislike the extreme evangelising of it.
 
I had 2 because I needed it to travel to see my family, had I the choice again I probably wouldn't have got it. I think for the vulnerable and immunocompromised it made sense even if it wasn't 100% safe.

But hey ho - we are where we are.

That said other than this thread I've not come across anyone that has "long covid". I'm not suggesting it doesn't exist, I'm sure like most infections it can lead to long term issues. In fact recently a friend of mine got a really bad systemic infection, turns out it was tetanus, and although treated he now has to have a pacemaker owing to damage to his heart. So I can believe that any infection even flu, can cause long term damage if you're unlucky or if it affects you particularly badly. We're all built differently and have different reactions to things.

People's health is personal, during the pandemic, restricting movement was probably the right thing to do, it seems logical, but since it was said that it doesn't help prevent the spreading of it, demonising people who chose not to have the vaccine still irritates me. I don't care about the conspiracy theories, just as much as I dislike the extreme evangelising of it.

Yes it is absolutely amazing the coincidence of the vaccine becoming available and the huge reduction in deaths from one thousand plus per day. Quite astounding.
 
The trial is everyone who took it. Good luck

only 120k.... and I bet it's almost impossible to get evidence the vaccine caused whatever.

how many GPs are going to support you if you can see one etc

Luckily never caught Covid, have had and will continue to have all the vaccines against it (and flu) that I can get.

so you';d take a shot of ye olde AZ?
 
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Yes it is absolutely amazing the coincidence of the vaccine becoming available and the huge reduction in deaths from one thousand plus per day. Quite astounding.
I didn't say it didn't help, I said it was shown not to stop it spreading. I'm also not suggesting it isn't effective. There will also be in those stats people that have built resilience/immunity as well. However it was the older and vulnerable people that had the biggest positive impact of the vaccine - as you say the data shows the the vulnerable and elderly people's survival rates improved. The data is very much in the upper quadrant when it comes to age, the SD median is not around young or mid aged people.
 
Yes it is absolutely amazing the coincidence of the vaccine becoming available and the huge reduction in deaths from one thousand plus per day. Quite astounding.
If you got run over you probably died of Covid on the certificate
 
Not answering my point on the huge reduction in deaths with the vaccines.
Where? The whole thing was a scam. People were forced to take it

I see higher extra unexplained deaths in most data since the vaccine. As said by freefaller people can have their own views but this table tennis of forum replies isn’t for me. In my particular circumstances and what I’ve seen I’m glad I was lucky enough to not have it.

Interesting to see trumps view on those sacked for not taking it in the US.
 
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Coincidently, this past couple of weeks has been the vaccine module at the covid inquiry.



This submission of evidence is a particularly nice compilation of issues with the vaccine rollout:


I'm guessing most poeple still don't know that what they were given wasn't actually the product that was tested.
 
Do you understand the meaning of the word scam?

And who was forced to be vaccinated?
Anyone who wanted to go out. Go on a plane. Stay in the military. Keep a job in NHS. Anymore examples ?


Yes I’m aware. Don’t patronise me. It’s was a financially driven scam. Randox made millions. Pharma made millions. Small business shut down for the big guys to mop up etc. then we had hyper inflation after the 0.1% base rates etc.
 
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