creatine

[Ed]

fart fart fart

If you don't fart you're not lifting heavy enough

 

[iCraig]

protein protein protein

kidney damage kidney damage kidney damage

 

[Oakesy2001uk]

its ok, youve got 2 kidneys!

 

[alexakasloth]

If you don't fart you're not lifting heavy enough

Luckily there's always at least 2 meters between me and someone else

 

[Chong Warrior]

None, its useless

You're not training hard enough

kidney damage kidney damage kidney damage

eh?

 

[alexakasloth]

eh?

Same here, didn't know that a bit more protein could damage your liver.

 

[iCraig]

Eating too much protein can put a strain on your organs, as with eating too much of any vitamin/mineral.

You have to eat a lot though. Like 6 cows a day

 

[oddjob62]

Eating too much protein can put a strain on your organs, as with eating too much of any vitamin/mineral.

Just make sure you are drinking plenty of water and you'll be fine.

 

[iCraig]

Just make sure you are drinking plenty of water and you'll be fine.

I wouldn't say so. If I took 10 Vitamin B6 tablets a day, within 2 weeks I'd have a kidney stone, regardless if I drank the thames river or not.

 

[Chong Warrior]

If you drank from the Thames, kidney stones would be the least of your worries

 

[oddjob62]

I wouldn't say so. If I took 10 Vitamin B6 tablets a day, within 2 weeks I'd have a kidney stone, regardless if I drank the thames river or not.

And if you drank a bottle of bleach you're be in bad shape as well... what's your point?

 

[iCraig]

And if you drank a bottle of bleach you're be in bad shape as well... what's your point?

My point is, regardless of how much water you drink, eating huge amounts of protein is bad for your kidneys and liver.

But like I said, you'd have to eat a shedload.

 

[Chong Warrior]

My point is, regardless of how much water you drink, eating huge amounts of protein is bad for your kidneys and liver.

But like I said, you'd have to eat a shedload.

You'd have to purposely go out of your way to poison yourself to eat enough protein for it to be toxic to you.

I eat between 240g - 280g of protein a day, well within safe limits and it's not easy eating that much day in day out.

 

[iCraig]

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/articles-submit/gary-matthews/eating-too-much-protein.htm

Theres one article. Google for more if you wish.

 

[Goatboy]

My point is, regardless of how much water you drink, eating huge amounts of protein is bad for your kidneys and liver.

Define 'huge' protein is not bad for the kidneys it's a complete myth that's been debunked many times since no study has ever shown any detrimental effects to the kidneys of a healthy person from increased protein intake. Feel free to find a person who's had liver or kidney problems solely down to protein intake....

Just look at all those pro bodybuilders, wrestlers and strongman contenders who consume vast amounts of protein per day, the kidney and liver damage figures for them run literally into the zeros..

A 'huge' amount of air or water can potentially kill you so your post is just meaningless unless you have some sort of facts for your claims which you don't because there aren't any. The fact you would post an article from a site like that only confirms you don't have a clue.

 

[iCraig]

Define 'huge' protein is not bad for the kidneys it's a complete myth that's been debunked many times since no study has ever shown any detrimental effects to the kidneys of a healthy person from increased protein intake. Feel free to find a person who's had liver or kidney problems solely down to protein intake....

Just look at all those pro bodybuilders, wrestlers and strongman contenders who consume vast amounts of protein per day, the kidney and liver damage figures for them run literally into the zeros..

A 'huge' amount of air or water can potentially kill you so your post is just meaningless unless you have some sort of facts for your claims which you don't because there aren't any. The fact you would post an article from a site like that only confirms you don't have a clue.

I like how you've done a detailed response over a discussion that isn't really taking place.

All I said was "kidney damage kidney damage kidney damage" due to the controversy that too much protein can damage your kidneys etc.

The same way, somebody touched on eating loads of eggs gives you bad wind.

If you read my posts properly you'll see our views arn't conflicting at all, too much protein will harm you, but like I've said, you need to eat a lot.

Its just one of those things where a certain energy group has been linked to medical stories.

You're treating the thread too seriously.

 

[Goatboy]

I must be blind then because I'm sure you said

eating huge amounts of protein is bad for your kidneys and liver.

which seems somewhat different to the vague brush off of the last post. Guess there won't be any explanation of how exactly it affects the kidneys and liver then.

 

[iCraig]

I must be blind then because I'm sure you said



which seems somewhat different to the vague brush off of the last post. Guess there won't be any explanation of how exactly it affects the kidneys and liver then.

Oh boy, why are you following up on a point that we both have the same opinion on.

Of course eating too much protein is bad for you, and if you would quote the whole sentence, rather than snipping a section to sway your point more, you'd be able to see that.

My point is, regardless of how much water you drink, eating huge amounts of protein is bad for your kidneys and liver

There point to that sentence was that I was disagreeing with oddjobs comment that if you drank enough water when overdosing on protein you'd be fine. Not strictly true, its like saying if you drink lots of water when you eat arsenic, you'll be fine.

Our real points don't conflict - that eating too much protein can harm your kidneys. The same way drinking too much water can do damage to your body also.

Guess there won't be any explanation of how exactly it affects the kidneys and liver then.

Not unless you want one, the thread wasn't serious until you started picking apart comments to try and show me up, for no apparent reason.

 

[ethos]

Of course eating too much protein is bad for you

What is considered "too much" protein and can you back this up?

 

[Ed]

I love this thread! More twists and turns than Emmerdale.

As for too much protein, it's only too much when you don't balance it with other essential foods. If you eat too much protein in a balanced diet then you either don't have a job or you aren't in the gym enough because you're spending too much time eating. I really struggle to consume 3000 'clean' calories a day due to the "real world". I would suggest there are far more dangerous things out there to affect organs such as obesity, smoking, drinking etc.

Kidney stones is a pretty weak argument too:

National Kidney and Urologic Diseases Information Clearinghouse
Doctors do not always know what causes a stone to form. While certain foods may promote stone formation in people who are susceptible, scientists do not believe that eating any specific food causes stones to form in people who are not susceptible.

As for the original poster, look at your diet first before addressing it with supplements. There is always room for improvement.

I train at 6:45am as it's the only tme I get to myself. This makes it hard to load up with the energy needed as I have no appetite then but if I'm up at 5:30am, what gives me the strength to lift is about a pint of fruit in a smoothie. Avacado, bananas etc are all good. I tend to go for heavier fruits rather than watery ones like melons. Plenty of calories and sees me through the lifting; at least until I finish and get me some eggs on wholemeal toast before I go to work