Criteria for MM access has changed.

Geffen · 19 Jan 2012 at 06:57

It would have made more sense to me to just extend the membership time rather than the number of posts. There a number of people like me who do more reading than posting and worried by setting this target more people will just be spamining out post which is already a problem in the GD area.

At my rate of posting it would take me approx 13 years to be able to use the members market

godinman · 19 Jan 2012 at 07:04

It does state in the OP that people caught spamming will have their post count removed. It will take you around 2 years at your current posting rate wont it? Unless my maths fails.

MANFACE · 19 Jan 2012 at 07:08

Geffen said:
It would have made more sense to me to just extend the membership time rather than the number of posts. There a number of people like me who do more reading than posting and worried by setting this target more people will just be spamining out post which is already a problem in the GD area.

At my rate of posting it would take me approx 13 years to be able to use the members market

This I agree with, 1000 posts is easily done, two years isn't.

Richdog · 19 Jan 2012 at 07:31

norm said:
The fact you think submitting a scan of a passport/driving licence to a delegated mod on here will lead to some massive outbreak of identity fraud is more worrying to be honest.

The MM rules state you should learn the address/phone number of people you're dealing with, along with bank details? Sufficient enough to commit identity fraud some would argue. So where do you draw the line.

I think we shall just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Admiral Huddy · 19 Jan 2012 at 08:40

This has been a welcome move given the recent problems some members have had to endure and the effort it has taken to resolve. It's very unfortunately that a few spoil for the rest but this can only help protect peoples interests.

moogle · 19 Jan 2012 at 09:34

godinman said:
It does state in the OP that people caught spamming will have their post count removed. It will take you around 2 years at your current posting rate wont it? Unless my maths fails.

I think it fails (the math

), that post rate is just an average.

Sometimes the actual post rate might be high when there are lots of interesting threads to post in/about.

From what I've seen OcUK is quite packed (more than any other UK forum I've seen I suppose) so it's not like there's nothing to post about.

I got caught in the "those cyclists why don't they pay road tax?" thread and was posting quite a lot in there that day.

It's good to see it increase, however there still might be a dodgy few who got in on the 250+/90 day rules so don't drop your guard

Talbs13 · 19 Jan 2012 at 09:58

Good move.

infernox · 19 Jan 2012 at 10:20

Seems fair to me.. haha

MooMoo444 · 19 Jan 2012 at 10:28

How dare OcUK change the qualifying parameters of a service they provide for free, and even regulate.

A lot of complainers here.. just contribute to discussions instead of lurking!

Protip: Go to the live sports threads and just go "OHHH bad tackle" "GOAL LOLOLOL" "OMG" like the rest of them in there and you'll rack up posts in no time at all.

Glaucus · 19 Jan 2012 at 10:29

Jamie23 said:
I've been checking these forums basically everyday since I joined in 2008 so I feel I'm a lot more a part of the community than those with less than a year here who have 1000+. Bit of an annoying change since I've made a conscious effort to start posting more for MM access, guess that idea is put to rest as it will take a another few years at this rate

You may feel part of the community, but it's a bit hard for anyone to engage with you and therefore actually be part of the community when you are a lurker.

Admiral Huddy · 19 Jan 2012 at 10:34

Robbo said:
What has 'recently happened', can someone enlighten me?

We've had an increase in problem deals of late and a couple that have been quite nasty which have taken up quite a bit of our time which is best spent elsewhere.

Unfortunately these issues are still not resolved. I'm not going to go into any specifics outside the MM but suffice to say it's been quite hard work without the desired results. Although we can't stop people who don't intend to play fair, we have to do what we can and something needed to be done to limit the risk. It is a case where a few spoil for the majority but if it means safer trading, then that can't be a bad thing.

Robbo · 19 Jan 2012 at 10:40

Admiral Huddy said:
We've had an increase in problem deals of late and a couple that have been quite nasty which have taken up quite a bit of our time which is best spent elsewhere.

Unfortunately these issues are still not resolved. I'm not going to go into any specifics outside the MM but suffice to say it's been quite hard work without the desired results. Although we can't stop people who don't intend to play fair, we have to do what we can and something needed to be done to limit the risk. It is a case where a few spoil for the majority but if it means safer trading, then that can't be a bad thing.

Ah okay, thanks for the reply Huddy.

grimm · 19 Jan 2012 at 11:18

Admiral Huddy said:
We've had an increase in problem deals of late and a couple that have been quite nasty which have taken up quite a bit of our time which is best spent elsewhere.

Unfortunately these issues are still not resolved. I'm not going to go into any specifics outside the MM but suffice to say it's been quite hard work without the desired results. Although we can't stop people who don't intend to play fair, we have to do what we can and something needed to be done to limit the risk. It is a case where a few spoil for the majority but if it means safer trading, then that can't be a bad thing.

That's a better and more eloquent reply than all the 10k+ post elitists have managed put together. Some of you have just been outright rude in this thread.

There is no correlation between post count and integrity/honesty, there will just be fewer trades going on and fewer people to trade with, so statistically it will look better and it will be less work for the moderators.

There will still be newcomers to that forum and any newcomer will still be an unknown quantity when it comes to trading.

Skillmister · 19 Jan 2012 at 11:22

grimm said:
That's a better and more eloquent reply than all the 10k+ post elitists have managed put together. Some of you have just been outright rude in this thread.

There is no correlation between post count and integrity/honesty, there will just be fewer trades going on and fewer people to trade with, so statistically it will look better and it will be less work for the moderators.

There will still be newcomers to that forum and any newcomer will still be an unknown quantity when it comes to trading.

No one really knew what the problems were except the Dons anyway.

That's not the point. It's the fact that scammers are less likely to spend the time to get 1000 posts.

sbi5ar · 19 Jan 2012 at 11:28

grimm said:
There will still be newcomers to that forum and any newcomer will still be an unknown quantity when it comes to trading.

I don't see it as a "welcomed change" because I rarely buy/sell on the MM however here is my 2p for all it's worth...

Scammer A joins OCUK and has to wait 6 months to gain MM access... Scams some one, deletes account, opens a new account and has to wait another 6 months to scam some one.

Under the old rules they could potentially scam someone ever 3 months.

Its a free service that is optional. No point in moaning about them changing it. Its done and it might provide a little bit more security for some people.

grimm · 19 Jan 2012 at 11:39

That's only one side of the coin though to be fair.

Some people could look upon it as cliquey behaviour. It could rub some people up the wrong way and potentially lose business for OCUK.

I'm not saying that's my opinion, I'm more bothered by the fact that my integrity is being questioned based upon post count which absolute tosh.

ThundyCat · 19 Jan 2012 at 12:13

grimm said:
That's only one side of the coin though to be fair.

Some people could look upon it as cliquey behaviour. It could rub some people up the wrong way and potentially lose business for OCUK.

I'm not saying that's my opinion, I'm more bothered by the fact that my integrity is being questioned based upon post count which absolute tosh.

Hard luck. The MM is a privilege, not a RIGHT, so you need to get over it.

I suggest you spend less time in this thread and maybe spend more time contributing to various threads across the forums. Give yourself 2-3 months and you may well reach a 1000 posts.

sbi5ar · 19 Jan 2012 at 12:16

ThundyCat said:
Hard luck. The MM is a privilege, not a RIGHT, so you need to get over it.

Sums it up very well!

Pate · 19 Jan 2012 at 12:24

grimm said:
That's only one side of the coin though to be fair.

Some people could look upon it as cliquey behaviour. It could rub some people up the wrong way and potentially lose business for OCUK.

I'm not saying that's my opinion, I'm more bothered by the fact that my integrity is being questioned based upon post count which absolute tosh.

It's not really cliquey it's just another albeit simple method of weeding out the majority of scammers who for a small amount gained will not invest the 1,000 or so post time.

Robbo · 19 Jan 2012 at 12:33

grimm said:
That's only one side of the coin though to be fair.

Some people could look upon it as cliquey behaviour. It could rub some people up the wrong way and potentially lose business for OCUK.

I'm not saying that's my opinion, I'm more bothered by the fact that my integrity is being questioned based upon post count which absolute tosh.

ThundyCat said:
Hard luck. The MM is a privilege, not a RIGHT, so you need to get over it.

I suggest you spend less time in this thread and maybe spend more time contributing to various threads across the forums. Give yourself 2-3 months and you may well reach a 1000 posts.

Indeed. Just to add to this, some people seem to be under the impression that because they are OCUK customers, they are entitled to MM access. The MM is a 'service' provided for loyal (and contributing) forum members, it is not something that merely signing up for a forum account and buying an item from the shop gets you access to.

People are not questioning your integrity directly, just putting measures in place so you have to actually put some effort in to be able to access the service. If you cared so much that you wanted to be able to use the MM, you'd find the time post a few times a day - your only excuse lies along the route of wanting something for nothing, or laziness.