Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty DLC expansion

azazl187 said:
Surely it makes no difference when you have a decent headset to wear because you of course understand that the sound is just as important as the graphics? ;)
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I hate headphones, earphones at night sure, but the cups on headphones hurt/ache my ears and make my head get really hot/ear sweat, also hate having a cable.
TBF the BT5.2 or whatever they are earphones I have are very close to being in sync when playing SP games so do me fine at night.
FWIW though I have some hardcore speakers/sub/amp next to my monitor so I obviously prefer them too :)

I don't scrimp on graphics don't worry ;) just like having something that's silent and not like a furnace next to me, my rigs already next to an airing cupboard as it is hahaha! With my cheeky undervolt my fans on my gpu don't even turn on and my cpu tends to spend it's life at 53-57c in games in 'eco 65w' mode :) Living the dream haha!
 
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Oh weird thing has happened btw people, the game now wants to crash randomly every 5-20-60-90 mins. Isn't my undervolt as I disabled it and ironically a crash happened within 5 mins, did a clean update of my drivers, made no difference?

Strange thing is I must be 5-7 hours into the game now and it played fine for the first 3-4 hours? Weird.

Even if you go back to the place it crashed, it doesn't crash again... Bar once by fluke, so it's not even like a certain area is causing a glitch... I just save frequently and the game tends to between dialogue etc anyway, so not too fussed. Really loving this one more than the original tbh, imho the first took ages to get going main story wise then finished too quickly, this seems to have just the right pace imho...
 
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Any mods? Slightly corrupted save file? Or actual hardware issue with temps volts etc
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Nope, didn't know I could mod it haha! Hardware issues I'd highly doubt as it's all brand new, temps are hilariously low, cpu 53-57c max 63, gpu 57-64c, voltages all fine, I ran it both undervolted and stock and did the same on both, this is the only game that's done this and I've smashed through a good 15 games so far, even Starfield doesn't crash haha!
 
It doesn't matter if it's all brand new, memory errors can show up at any time, even after hours of gaming, purely down to how memory works and the sheer amount of data some applications or games can rush through the memory system.

I recall the past year or so whereby some games even after hours of no issues randomly crashing n me back to desktop, Cyberpunk ended up being one of them too. The resolution was sorting out a RAM issue. Memory is very finicky and it ended up being voltage/BIOS setting related as the XMP profile at the time wasn't stable with my RAM so had to tweak it manually. That has since been fixed however with the later BIOS and XMP now works perfectly and all games have been stable.

It sounds bizarre, but even a single bit of memory error because of some odd DDR voltage or timing or BIOS memory instability will cause a game to CTD because of the amount of data a game can at times, or even after hours, pass through that single area affected on the memory.

I would recommend running Karhu RAM test tool and if it gets to over 4000% coverage without a single error flagged, then your RAM is stable, but if it flags a single error before then, you gotta check your memory settings in the BIOS (could even be faulty memory if tweaking doesn't help).

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mrk said:
It doesn't matter if it's all brand new, memory errors can show up at any time, even after hours of gaming, purely down to how memory works and the sheer amount of data some applications or games can rush through the memory system.

I recall the past year or so whereby some games even after hours of no issues randomly crashing n me back to desktop, Cyberpunk ended up being one of them too. The resolution was sorting out a RAM issue. Memory is very finicky and it ended up being voltage/BIOS setting related as the XMP profile at the time wasn't stable with my RAM so had to tweak it manually. That has since been fixed however with the later BIOS and XMP now works perfectly and all games have been stable.

It sounds bizarre, but even a single bit of memory error because of some odd DDR voltage or timing or BIOS memory instability will cause a game to CTD because of the amount of data a game can at times, or even after hours, pass through that single area affected on the memory.

I would recommend running Karhu RAM test tool and if it gets to over 4000% coverage without a single error flagged, then your RAM is stable, but if it flags a single error before then, you gotta check your memory settings in the BIOS (could even be faulty memory if tweaking doesn't help).

RAM Test – Karhu Software

The ultimate memory stress test program. Check your PC for faulty DRAM modules and verify overclock stability with Karhu RAM Test. Works on Windows 7/8/10/11 32-bit and 64-bit. Linux support coming in 2024.
www.karhusoftware.com
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Oi don't you be mugging off my memory you swine! I'll tell it what you said and it'll give you a virtual dick kick!

Yeah, jokes aside this is true, but I honestly think it's fine as I've done so many games now and seriously lengthy play through's, I even pause it, turn the monitor off and go eat and come back and still rock solid.

But yeah I will have a nose, cheers for that. IIRC my motherboard might actually have some posh memory testing feature - but I could have imagined it haha!

FWIW the xmp profile was automatically detected and is setup correctly as soon as I installed it, and I'm on the latest bios, or was when I fitted the motherboard haha! I could see if there's an update for that too I suppose.

But genuinely this is the only game that's decided to randomly do this.

EDIT: Not game to pay for that, will just use MemTest64 or whatever else.
 
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That's the thing, the XMP will detect and apply and appear to use all the right settings etc, but internally it's not stable because of various BIOS internal parameters. That was the issue with Gigabyte and others with the Z690 platform for approx 1-2 years before a fully stable BIOS revision came out that completely sorted the RAM+XMP issues out.

And for me the issue only happened on 1 or 2 games and it was random, Cyberpunk was one affected and also only when ray tracing was enabled so you'd automatically think it was the game right!

I only tried Karhu based on a recommendation on the forums and within minutes it flagged memory errors. I tweaked manual settings and got i to to a sable state where it completed over 4000% coverage and then it was fine.

The easiest way to confirm if your RAM is the issue I suppose without having to use any tools is run your RAM at its base JEDEC speed. This is the basic speed the BIOS sets when XMP is left off. If the game doesn't CTD at JEDEC, then you've found the problem, check for a BIOS update and try again.
 
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That's the thing, the XMP will detect and apply and appear to use all the right settings etc, but internally it's not stable because of various BIOS internal parameters. That was the issue with Gigabyte and others with the Z690 platform for approx 1-2 years before a fully stable BIOS revision came out that completely sorted the RAM+XMP issues out.

And for me the issue only happened on 1 or 2 games and it was random, Cyberpunk was one affected and also only when ray tracing was enabled so you'd automatically think it was the game right!

I only tried Karhu based on a recommendation on the forums and within minutes it flagged memory errors. I tweaked manual settings and got i to to a sable state where it completed over 4000% coverage and then it was fine.

The easiest way to confirm if your RAM is the issue I suppose without having to use any tools is run your RAM at its base JEDEC speed. This is the basic speed the BIOS sets when XMP is left off. If the game doesn't CTD at JEDEC, then you've found the problem, check for a BIOS update and try again.
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I think you're right, I just had it happen in Linux mint playing cs2 - which I've never played before, as I was playing PL in Windows...
so that's 2 different OS's now with a game each being a swine!

Just reset my bios and turned off the auto xmp profile and testing it at the horrific 2133mhz mode. I tried leaving xmp profile off but with auto everything else with the mhz set to 3600mhz but it found an error :(

I'd genuinely rather one of the sticks was faulty and get it replaced than loose the ability to use the rated 3600mhz nor have to spend years testing and tweaking it fml.
 
You could manually set the RAM to 3200MHz btw, thsi is the exact issue I had, instability in only those couple of games at 3600MHz, and RAM test showing errors, but drop it to 3200MHz and the errors go away. I basically ran at 3200MHz for nearly a year before the BIOS was updated fixing the XMP/RAM compatibility bugs.

You will find that at 3200MHz there is little to no difference in game fps as the bandwidth difference isn't huge vs 2133MHz. So 3200 should do you fine until a new BIOS is out that as proper support for your RAM.
 
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You could manually set the RAM to 3200MHz btw, thsi is the exact issue I had, instability in only those couple of games at 3600MHz, and RAM test showing errors, but drop it to 3200MHz and the errors go away. I basically ran at 3200MHz for nearly a year before the BIOS was updated fixing the XMP/RAM compatibility bugs.

You will find that at 3200MHz there is little to no difference in game fps as the bandwidth difference isn't huge vs 2133MHz. So 3200 should do you fine until a new BIOS is out that as proper support for your RAM.
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Right, been faffing about with it, I didn't even know there was a difference between xmp profile 1/2 (2 apparently is LESS voltage but more stable? Sounds silly to me as I thought when you OC something more voltage usually guaranties more stability then you knock it down till you find the sweet spot?

Anyway, so far XMP Profile 1/2 at 3600mhz is a no go, but XMP profile 1 at 3200mhz with the drop down worked for 12 mins nearly then I stopped the test, XMP profile disabled but manually setting it to 3600mhz in Profile 1 caused an error within the time it's taken to do this reply...

So I think I'm gonna go play PL for an hour or something and see if it'll stack it again? I don't really like the idea of just leaving a stress test on with my monitor on burning that into the screen or turning the screen off and on constantly to see if stacked...

Judging by how quick it finds the errors with the 3600mhz I'd say if it's lasted 11-12mins on 3200mhz then it's probably fine? Will game and see?

It's annoying because I asked people on here whether it was worth getting the 3600mhz as it had cas 16 over cas 18 3200mhz and was like £7-12 more or something silly.

I wonder now if I'd just bought the 3200mhz would it behave out the box with the 'auto xmp profile' config... Hmm.

Gonna be a late night and I've already got a headache/knackered and need to be up, but I'm the type of person I have to exhaust all trouble shooting or something does my nut in and stops me sleeping/makes me ill...

Oh and I found and updated my bios but made no difference.

Thanks for all your help mate, especially at this time!
 
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I finished a session on Phantom Liberty and started watching new eps of Ahsoka, so a sort of all nighter tonight :p

It's the point of diminishing returns until you step up into the really fast RAM kits really, 3600MHz CL18 is good enough for gaming, at least on Intel anyway I'm not sure about Ryzen systems. Put it into comparison this way, on [Hard] forum, someone with the same res and settings as me and same 4090 got the exact same benchmark scores as me on this game after the update with the same settings.

He has DDR5 RAM and a 13700K, I have DDR4 3600 CL18 and a 12700KF. Games like this you're not RAM bandwidth starved at all, the RAM just needs to be stable so it can do what it needs to do effectively. You'll be fine on 3200MHz until the mobo maker releases a new BIOS which hopefully has RAM compatibility fixes in place I suspect.

Usually the most common CTD causes is RAM and BIOS not playing ball until a stable BIOS is released.
 
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mrk said:
I finished a session on Phantom Liberty and started watching new eps of Ahsoka, so a sort of all nighter tonight :p

It's the point of diminishing returns until you step up into the really fast RAM kits really, 3600MHz CL18 is good enough for gaming, at least on Intel anyway I'm not sure about Ryzen systems. Put it into comparison this way, on [Hard] forum, someone with the same res and settings as me and same 4090 got the exact same benchmark scores as me on this game after the update with the same settings.

He has DDR5 RAM and a 13700K, I have DDR4 3600 CL18 and a 12700KF. Games like this you're not RAM bandwidth starved at all, the RAM just needs to be stable so it can do what it needs to do effectively. You'll be fine on 3200MHz until the mobo maker releases a new BIOS which hopefully has RAM compatibility fixes in place I suspect.

Usually the most common CTD causes is RAM and BIOS not playing ball until a stable BIOS is released.
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Ah I'm glad the notifications haven't woken you up mate, yeah it's just annoying me now that I should have just got 3200mhz, but then I'm also wondering 'would' the xmp profile on that behaved out the box, I'll literally never know now ha!

Doing another test with xmp 'profile 1/2' disabled and just setting it to 3200mhz with the rest on auto, as my MSI has both, sounds confusing I know, but it allows me to have the xmp profile 1 or 2 selected with it all auto, or the profile 1/2 and then you manually mess about with it yourself... OR turn off xmp but set the mhz yourself and leave the rest on auto OR tweak it...

So it's nice and flexible options wise! TBF it's one of the reasons I wanted it, along with the posh dedicated usb port just for bios updates with it's own button - get this that you can flash a bios with only power to the board, no ram/cpu required, just power and come back in 5-15 mins. Nuts right, no more borrowing/buying an older cpu etc etc...
The cool thing is you can also just flash it with the cpu/ram in via any usb port and doing it via the gui, so spoiled for choice really! Not bad for a mid range £170-180 board that's matx and was on offer, IIRC I paid £139.99, then in true sods law fashion a couple weeks later it was £120 or £129.99 haha, but I still won IMHO as I woulda paid the full price for it, it has really beefy heatsinks on the vrms, and a posh 3 or 4 layer hardcore pcb with steel pci-e slots and all sorts of jazz, and I like how it looks - a bonus but still cool.

As we speak it's been doing the 'profile 1/2' disabled with the 3200mhz set and the rest on auto for the last 13 minutes, I think I'll give it another 7 minutes then that's 20 minutes and then game on it and see if it behaves!

Thank you so much again, at least I don't have to RMA the ram now, as long as I don't have to run it at 2133mhz or sub 3200mhz I'm fine, as I originally was going to buy this ram anyway and it was either £7-12-17 more so I couldn't care less, considering I've got away with running it at 3600mhz for a good few months haha!

What'd you think to Ahsoka? Haven't watched that one yet, seen everything else, personally clucking for Loki 2, the first was just spot on IMHO, very annoyed Mando season 4 IF it comes isn't going to be played by him, whether they'll use his voice still I'm not sure/can't remember, but I swear I red they might not? That would SUCK!

Right it's had 24mins now at 3200mhz with the 'xmp profile 1 or 2' disabled with just me selecting 3200mhz and the rest on auto... Time to kick it's head in with PL and see if it behaves, so weird it ran mint for the first 6 hours! There was me going "well it is a CDPR game... They even managed to make the original stack on my ps4!" hahaha
 
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RAM is indeed quirky like that :D It sounds like your profile 1/2 stuff is similar to Intel's Gear mode 1 and 2. Gear 1 is the highest bandwidth where memory controller and RAM are equal (or RAM is faster if it's say DDR4 4000MHz etc). Gear 2 halves the memory controller frequency against the RAM. Gear 2 is more stable, Gear 1 is the tightest and puts more stress on the CPU memory controller. On Intel 3200MHz RAM is considered 1:1 as the memory controller is 3200MHz too. Intel consider anything above that "overclocking" - But as we know, RAM often runs far above that. I don't know what equiv AMD have but I do know the memory channels operate in quad channel, whereas Intel's is dual channel, and that AMD systems tend to be even more finicky about RAM.

I'd say leave it at 3200 and forget about it until a new BIOS notes RAM improvements and you can then retry XPM again.

Liking Ahsoka so far, if you are a fan of the Mandalorian series etc then it's worth checking out for sure.
 
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RAM is indeed quirky like that :D It sounds like your profile 1/2 stuff is similar to Intel's Gear mode 1 and 2. Gear 1 is the highest bandwidth where memory controller and RAM are equal (or RAM is faster if it's say DDR4 4000MHz etc). Gear 2 halves the memory controller frequency against the RAM. Gear 2 is more stable, Gear 1 is the tightest and puts more stress on the CPU memory controller. On Intel 3200MHz RAM is considered 1:1 as the memory controller is 3200MHz too. Intel consider anything above that "overclocking" - But as we know, RAM often runs far above that. I don't know what equiv AMD have but I do know the memory channels operate in quad channel, whereas Intel's is dual channel, and that AMD systems tend to be even more finicky about RAM.

I'd say leave it at 3200 and forget about it until a new BIOS notes RAM improvements and you can then retry XPM again.

Liking Ahsoka so far, if you are a fan of the Mandalorian series etc then it's worth checking out for sure.
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Well, I got carried away and played PL on windows 10 till christ knows 5am haha then CS2 on linux Mint till gone 6am haha (dual boot) and flawless. So yeah she's staying at 3200mhz, no biggie though as it's still CAS16 vs 18 like if I'd got the 3200mhz kit :)

Thank you so much for your help at a silly hour mate, you're a legend for that! I'm glad it wasn't the game, makes me even more of an immersive experience if it does stack it haha!

Ah nice, I've been game to watch it, so will do. Yeah Mando is the GOAT though haha ;)
 
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God mode is for trying stuff out and not having to reload every few seconds :)
 
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It's all good, I went through the same memory experience so know how it can be when it doesn't work and nothing makes sense until it makes sense :D

I'm in the office today and all'I can think about is where Solomon Reed is going to take me next in Dog Town. This game makes you think about it for days lol.

Back on the OG game's launch I felt the same but about Arisaka's bs lol. It gets in your head!
 
I should buy this, been paying with the 2.0 update and quite enjoying it again.

Do you need to complete the main story first? or is this a completely separate side story?
 
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