Cyberpunk 2077 Ultra performance

ltron · 7 Mar 2021 at 15:59

Lastly, please try this: disable all DOCP/XMP/manual RAM settings and set all RAM and IF settings to Auto. Does that make any difference?

Midnight Tboy · 7 Mar 2021 at 16:20

Just done an "upgrade" of Win 10 over the top of itself after ccleaner and removal of all the asus rubbish ......here goes - ermmm I'll get GPU-Z and check that side of things too shortly - I've no idea why I bought Asus again - the motherboard for my 2500k was a high end Asus that had issues, and I paid about £30 more for this Asus B550 than my sons MSI B550 and his runs no problem whatsoever.

Will just fire up CPunk and see what happens

Midnight Tboy · 7 Mar 2021 at 16:31

Well removing that AI Suite and then a Windows Upgrade over the top of itself seems to have helped a bit

On low non RT settings (DLSS on Quality) getting between 90-100fps

On RT Ultra settings DLSS Quality getting above 60 now in this area.....gpu around 75% usage, so somethings improved

Having a quick look on youtube for similar RT Ultra tests might indicate this to be about right, but will dig deeper.....

Now to look at the other suggestions and GPU-Z mentioned above

I'm also wondering if now this AI Suite rubbish has been removed if maybe DOCP may work as intended, but I'll check GPUZ first

edit :

yup looks to be running in 4.0 mode

And CPU-Z CPU Page

edit : oh and the top row % 2nd column is GPU use, so 75% in the final RT Ultra pic

Midnight Tboy · 7 Mar 2021 at 17:10

This is my CPU-Z ram reading after setting back to Auto, these are basically the only bios settings changes, other than setting hyperv to on

Here is what I originally had set in BIOS for ram, which was basically setting AI Overclock Tuner to DOCP, and then changing the memory frequency from 3600mhz to 3200mhz else it wont boot, and the FCLK to match half that (1600)

ltron · 7 Mar 2021 at 17:18

Midnight Tboy said:
This is my CPU-Z ram reading after setting back to Auto, these are basically the only bios settings changes, other than setting hyperv to on

Here is what I originally had set in BIOS for ram, which was basically setting AI Overclock Tuner to DOCP, and then changing the memory frequency from 3600mhz to 3200mhz else it wont boot, and the FCLK to match half that (1600)

Can you post screenshots of Cyberpunk running with the Auto RAM settings please with CPU temperature and clockspeed added to MSI Afterburner overlay? I just want to see whether your performance is any better, but good progress so far.

After that can you set DOCP but set IF to Auto rather than 1600 MHz and post another CPU-z screenshot?

You can see when RAM is auto then IF and RAM speed are exactly the same whereas when you use DOCP and manually set IF to 1600MHz RAM and IF speed are slightly different.

Midnight Tboy · 7 Mar 2021 at 17:29

ltron said:
Can you post screenshots of Cyberpunk running with the Auto RAM settings please? I just want to see whether your performance is any better, but good progress so far.

After that can you set DOCP but set IF to Auto rather than 1600 MHz and post another CPU-z screenshot?

You can see when RAM is auto then IF and RAM speed are exactly the same whereas when you use DOCP and manually set IF to 1600MHz RAM and IF speed are slightly different.

Sure,

Here is non RT Low

And here is RT Ultra, both with DLSS set to Quality

After that I briefly set DLSS to Ultra Performance, and other than making it look awful, noticed the FPS kept about the same, but GPU usage seemed to be around 50% instead of 70

So, thinking the final part of the issue is the ram then for final boost?

Midnight Tboy · 7 Mar 2021 at 17:32

Oooops forgot to add cpu temp - will grab that on the next ones, I'll just try and set DOCP with IF at auto (I'll have to change the ram speed to 3200mhz still though or it wont boot) - edit - ignore - yes I did add the clock speed and temp to it

Midnight Tboy · 7 Mar 2021 at 17:38

Here is CPU-Z after setting DOCP on and changing to 3200mhz

I've never tried setting the speed to anyspeed between 3200mhz and 3600mzh to see if I can find a working in between, eg 3400mhz

Midnight Tboy · 7 Mar 2021 at 17:55

Comparing a few more youtube videos of similar specs running at 1080p - I'm thinking maybe this is close to inline with expected performance. Running around vids on youtube are on less busy areas with getting an extras 10-20fps so if I have a quick runaround I'm thinking I may likely see the same increase if go back into a less hectic area with so many people

I should be getting a 4k tv next week, so will be interesting to see the change....mind it's only a basic TV, as a stop gap til the 2021 model screens come in with decent hdmi 2.1 capabilities.......on my Asus vg278H it does have pretty awful screen tearing unfortunately a lot of the time which is a bit annoying (which can't do 120hz mode thanks to being dual dvi connector only for that)

Midnight Tboy · 7 Mar 2021 at 18:14

Decided to try setting the ram speed to 3400mhz, keeping the FCLK at auto - can't see any adverse affects, as in PC hasn't crashed yet....not sure if FCLK should be set manually to 1700 or not though to try to make sure it stays as 1:1 thing I read about

Fired Cyberpunk back up, performance around about the same, decided to try to run around a bit trying to get away from people, performance seemed to peak to around low to mid 70s in the quiet parts, still just below 60 in some of the busy buts, but its still better than it was before I did the Windows 10 Upgrade on top of itself after getting rid of that AI Suite rubbish that seems to have been the start of my issues. Temps on the CPU peaked around 83c after having a good sprint around for a few minutes (stock cooler so not expecting anything great on that front)

What I have noticed mind.....before rebuilding the PC, the PC was idling around 100-120watts of power use, even when set to High Performance

Since wiping the machine, it now seems to sit around 180watts idling

Nexus18 · 7 Mar 2021 at 18:15

When you say windows upgrade over the top? What exactly is this step?

Midnight Tboy · 7 Mar 2021 at 18:29

Nexus18 said:
When you say windows upgrade over the top? What exactly is this step?

Basically the issues I found on some forums suggested that Asus AI Suite was messing up performance somehow and seemed irreversible on uninstalling, affecting a number of games. Even after running ccleaner to get rid of trace stuff, stopping the services and fully removing the Asus folders from ProgFiles and ProgData folders. They managed to replicate AI Suite being the issue with clean installs and then problems happening the moment it goes on.

So I used the USB stick I created a couple of months ago when first built the new PC, ran the setup, and selected to reinstall the OS on top of itself (keeping all files etc).....other people were just using the Media Creation Tool to install straight from the iso. After about 15mins or so it was back to desktop as normal.....I dont like doing 'upgrades' mind but a good effort than having to spend hours backing up my work and hundreds of gbs of installed games

Last night I'd also installed Horizon Zero Dawn.....before I tried this "upgrade" fix today. I can't remember what fps I was getting now as it was around 2am and was getting tired, but it was definitely lower than it's showing now (142fps at ultra settings) I think it was less than 100 last night and similar thing where the full GPU wasn't being used. I've just noticed though that it does also now show the card using full GPU at 97% usage so shows it can be done at least (ram still at 3400mhz and stable touch wood)

Lesson learnt....when build a new PC, don't install tools that the company (asus) give you, unless you absolutely need to

ltron · 7 Mar 2021 at 20:19

Midnight Tboy said:
Basically the issues I found on some forums suggested that Asus AI Suite was messing up performance somehow and seemed irreversible on uninstalling, affecting a number of games. Even after running ccleaner to get rid of trace stuff, stopping the services and fully removing the Asus folders from ProgFiles and ProgData folders. They managed to replicate AI Suite being the issue with clean installs and then problems happening the moment it goes on.

So I used the USB stick I created a couple of months ago when first built the new PC, ran the setup, and selected to reinstall the OS on top of itself (keeping all files etc).....other people were just using the Media Creation Tool to install straight from the iso. After about 15mins or so it was back to desktop as normal.....I dont like doing 'upgrades' mind but a good effort than having to spend hours backing up my work and hundreds of gbs of installed games

Last night I'd also installed Horizon Zero Dawn.....before I tried this "upgrade" fix today. I can't remember what fps I was getting now as it was around 2am and was getting tired, but it was definitely lower than it's showing now (142fps at ultra settings) I think it was less than 100 last night and similar thing where the full GPU wasn't being used. I've just noticed though that it does also now show the card using full GPU at 97% usage so shows it can be done at least (ram still at 3400mhz and stable touch wood)

Lesson learnt....when build a new PC, don't install tools that the company (asus) give you, unless you absolutely need to

I think your performance looks pretty normal now from what I can see. What resolution is Cyberpunk running at again, 1440P? If you could include CPU clockspeed and temperature in Cyberpunk just to make sure then that would be great.

Motherboard makers' software utilities are often trash and will mess up your performance as they sometimes load a profile for your CPU that stops it boosting properly or they just use loads of resources. I never use them.

ltron · 7 Mar 2021 at 20:29

Midnight Tboy said:
Temps on the CPU peaked around 83c after having a good sprint around for a few minutes (stock cooler so not expecting anything great on that front)oticed mind.....before rebuilding the PC, the PC was idling around 100-120watts of power use, even when set to High Performance

Since wiping the machine, it now seems to sit around 180watts idling

Is that on the Ultimate Performance power plan? Anything above High Performance will make no difference to performance and just increase heat and power draw at idle, even Balanced would make no difference to performance on these modern Ryzen CPUs.

Midnight Tboy · 7 Mar 2021 at 23:19

ltron said:
Is that on the Ultimate Performance power plan? Anything above High Performance will make no difference to performance and just increase heat and power draw at idle, even Balanced would make no difference to performance on these modern Ryzen CPUs.

It is 1080p as just a 1080p120 monitor connected at the moment. And the normal windows High Performance power plan

I've just done some new runs with the extra bits showing

1080p RT Ultra DLSS:Quality

and
1080p Low NoRT DLSS:Quality

The only thing is though, something still isn't sitting right with it, while performance is better from when I first started, on both, if I set the DLSS to the extreme performance awful looking one, again I get just bad visuals and no performance boost at all, just less gpu usage....similarly if I just turn off DLSS too, the visual changes are happening but the game is locking back the potential frames from me in each scenario

willhub · 7 Mar 2021 at 23:20

Those screenshots are exactly the same?

*edit - not anymore.

ltron · 7 Mar 2021 at 23:39

Midnight Tboy said:
It is 1080p as just a 1080p120 monitor connected at the moment. And the normal windows High Performance power plan

I've just done some new runs with the extra bits showing

1080p RT Ultra DLSS:Quality

and
1080p Low NoRT DLSS:Quality

The only thing is though, something still isn't sitting right with it, while performance is better from when I first started, on both, if I set the DLSS to the extreme performance awful looking one, again I get just bad visuals and no performance boost at all, just less gpu usage....similarly if I just turn off DLSS too, the visual changes are happening but the game is locking back the potential frames from me in each scenario

Well your CPU is boosting to normal all core speeds. Your temperatures are what I'd expect with the stock cooler and they are not high enough to cause a problem. Your GPU usage is low in Cyberpunk, but I think it's the game, it seems to be maxing out your 6 core CPU. GPU usage was normal in Horizon.

Sorry to keep asking you to run things but could you run Cinebench R20 single and multicore tests? https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/download-maxon-cinebench.html

Rroff · 7 Mar 2021 at 23:41

Still seems a bit low - but then CP2077 has a lot of issues - at the bottom of the megabuilding there, with more even in view than your image, I get 57FPS with all settings ultra at 1440p with a 3070FE and DLSS quality. (79% CPU, 96% GPU).

ltron · 7 Mar 2021 at 23:50

I don't know why your CPU bus clock is only 97-98MHz rather than 100MHz, does it ever show 100MHz if you leave CPU-z open?. That Asus AI suite utility didn't enable Eco mode did it? Can you download Ryzen Master and take a screenshot of the main page please? (This will tell me if AISuite has done anything odd to the BIOS settings)
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/ryzen-master

Also check your BIOS to make sure eco mode is not on, I think it's called Asus EPU power saving mode or something like that.

Midnight Tboy · 7 Mar 2021 at 23:54

Thanks - I'll give Cinebench a shot tomorrow (while I'm supposed to be working

)

Wish I had a 1440p screen to try for higher res's

Something that is peculiar here I just found. If you maybe recall I mentioned PC was idling at around 100-120 watts normally before while was having the main issue with the AI Suite. After I removed that and did the Windows 10 upgrade on top of itself it was behaving better, but pc idling was around 180w instead

Well, I thought lets try a proper clean of the GPU drivers, I'd read one post that suggested elsewhere that the Geforce Experience overlay can cause other issues....so I pulled the cable, DDU removed nvidia drivers in safe mode, then went back to windows and installed the latesst nvidia drivers before reconnecting network cable

Now the PC is back to idling around 95-120watts again when idle......performance on cyberpunk is still the same however

Edit, I'll just quickly try that Ryzen Master to see what that shows and check for any eco mode but I don't think it is - with AI Suite itself I never even ran anything - I didn't understand any of the buttons so left it alone but it seems that plenty people have reproduced it causing problems for their games