it only really helps in some lighting situations and does cause some other graphics issues like shimmering. Honestly just keep playing with RT unless you have a beast setup and don't mind the issues and performance drop. The game looks great with standard RT
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Soldato
Didn't really look closely. I might have tried balanced but it was bad enough that Path Tracing was clearly a no go on the 3080 - sub 30fps for sure. I get about 10fps with Path Tracing on and DLSS off with the otherwise same base settings as I get ~40 fps or so with Path Tracing and DLSS performance.
At 4k I get 105fps without path tracing, 85fps with it on, although I repeat I really cannot see any difference in graphics quality
If you cannot see any difference in lighting by enabling and disabling path tracing, in any heavily lit scenes, then you must be blind.
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Soldato
Yep, if you've done screenshot comparisons and can't tell the difference - you're blind! If you just can't tell the difference in gameplay, then fair enough - enjoy your higher framerate running with it disabled!
Soldato
I've got a bit obsessed with messing with the path tracing, especially with the mod I linked a few pages back to significantly increase performance.
I think it's superb, and a really unexpected bonus. If you can't tell the difference with path tracing on vs off you're either not really trying / not comparing properly, or you're just being contrary.
I think it's superb, and a really unexpected bonus. If you can't tell the difference with path tracing on vs off you're either not really trying / not comparing properly, or you're just being contrary.
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Is that with a 4090? I am getting between ~50 and 80 FPS using GeForce NOW's 'RTX 4080' at 4K with DLSS Performance and frame generation. Psycho raytracing often doubles that frame rate.
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Man of Honour
So I got a 4090 now and....
Frame gen on DLSS manually set to Quality:
Frame gen off, DLSS Quality:
Absolutely nuts, I also played a bit with frame gen and I feel no added input latency, playing with an Endgame XM2we mouse, 1000Hz @ 1000CPI, feels just as instant in game with FG on as with off, Reflex is set to On+Boost btw.
Frame gen on DLSS manually set to Quality:
Frame gen off, DLSS Quality:
Absolutely nuts, I also played a bit with frame gen and I feel no added input latency, playing with an Endgame XM2we mouse, 1000Hz @ 1000CPI, feels just as instant in game with FG on as with off, Reflex is set to On+Boost btw.
Soldato
So I got a 4090 now and....
Frame gen on DLSS manually set to Quality:
Frame gen off, DLSS Quality:
Absolutely nuts, I also played a bit with frame gen and I feel no added input latency, playing with an Endgame XM2we mouse, 1000Hz @ 1000CPI, feels just as instant in game with FG on as with off, Reflex is set to On+Boost btw.
I thought you were RMAing your 3080Ti? Don't ******* tell me they sent you a 4090 replacement?!
Man of Honour
Lol I wish! I bought the 4090 and will let Nvidia replace the 3080 Ti with whatever and then sell that replacement 
I was getting too itchy and a bit of man maths later realised a 4090 was the only option that should be bought
I was getting too itchy and a bit of man maths later realised a 4090 was the only option that should be bought
Soldato
Man maths 
You *******. Messing with path tracing I'm getting horrible seeds of upgradeitis (currently on 3090) that I swore I wouldn't have for this round.
Is DLSS 3 really not that bad then latency wise? Pleeeeease tell me it is.
You *******. Messing with path tracing I'm getting horrible seeds of upgradeitis (currently on 3090) that I swore I wouldn't have for this round.
Is DLSS 3 really not that bad then latency wise? Pleeeeease tell me it is.
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Man of Honour
I'll have a better play this evening but the bit I played earlier I can 100% confirm that there was no input latency observed and I'd be able to notice stuff like that fairly easy if there is latency introduced then it's small enough to not be noticed in Cyberpunk, can't say for other games though as not played anything else yet, will do that this eve too.Man maths
You *******. Messing with path tracing I'm getting horrible seeds of upgradeitis (currently on 3090) that I swore I wouldn't have for this round.
Is DLSS 3 really not that bad then latency wise? Pleeeeease tell me it is.
I will also play the same with the MX Master 3, that's not a gaming wireless mouse so will be interesting to see if I notice anything there.
For reference I am at 144Hz on a QD-OLED monitor, so any lag or latency etc is pretty telling generally.
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Man of Honour
Well on GeForce NOW it seems to actually feel more responsive, but I'm not sure cloud gaming is the best test caseMan maths
You *******. Messing with path tracing I'm getting horrible seeds of upgradeitis (currently on 3090) that I swore I wouldn't have for this round.
Is DLSS 3 really not that bad then latency wise? Pleeeeease tell me it is.
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Man of Honour
Played a couple of hours today on my fully complete save for a couple of hours just exploring and looking at the visual changes with PT and wow is all I can say. That central forest area inside the city where there are a lot of hobos and trees etc, that area crippled most GPUs even with RT disabled and with FG and PT on the 4090 with DLSS Quality, I was seeing down to 75fps 
Still, very very smooth and if the fps overlay was turned off then I'd never know the framerate had dropped from 120 to 75 lol.
What a remarkable marriage of hardware with software technology we have now to get this level of performance, "fake frames" or not
Lord knows what the fps would be if Frame Gen wasn't enabled lol. Would be interesting to know what the other 40 series cards get in this scene at 3440x1440 and same settings.
I agree with what others said before, that certain scenes are noticeably enhanced from PT, not all, but enough to matter from what i played today:
Still, very very smooth and if the fps overlay was turned off then I'd never know the framerate had dropped from 120 to 75 lol.What a remarkable marriage of hardware with software technology we have now to get this level of performance, "fake frames" or not
Lord knows what the fps would be if Frame Gen wasn't enabled lol. Would be interesting to know what the other 40 series cards get in this scene at 3440x1440 and same settings.
I agree with what others said before, that certain scenes are noticeably enhanced from PT, not all, but enough to matter from what i played today:
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Man of Honour
That's a tough question to answer, because even before PT some scenes would clearly render lower quality until you move a bit closer to textures, maybe this is a thing with using DLSS at 3440x1440 as the internal render res is higher at 4K using DLSS, but most scenes render really nicely and nothing stands out as obviously poor in general.
The bounced rays and denoising effect can be seen when up close to some metal surfaces, especially the Porsche paintwork. This was a thing even on normal RT Psycho, it's just the way the RT engine reacts as you move the camera around, there's a slight lag for the ray tracing to catch up if that makes sense, this still exists with path tracing. Also just like before, some light sources don't activate until you get a bit closer in some scenes, I posted gifs from way back using RT Psycho you might recall where barrels of fire were "off" until you got to a certain distance then all of a sudden they lit up. These quirks remain unchanged as the distance rendering remains the same as before. And as my game is a reinstall, my past mods for LOD etc are all gone so not sure what's what with the latest game update.
I did post another video in the 40 series thread of some PT gameplay though, that was 8 minutes or so of action, I can't recall any quirks in that segment, but it was to highlight in that thread that there are no obvious downfalls of using frame gen and dlss even when moving around quickly.
The bounced rays and denoising effect can be seen when up close to some metal surfaces, especially the Porsche paintwork. This was a thing even on normal RT Psycho, it's just the way the RT engine reacts as you move the camera around, there's a slight lag for the ray tracing to catch up if that makes sense, this still exists with path tracing. Also just like before, some light sources don't activate until you get a bit closer in some scenes, I posted gifs from way back using RT Psycho you might recall where barrels of fire were "off" until you got to a certain distance then all of a sudden they lit up. These quirks remain unchanged as the distance rendering remains the same as before. And as my game is a reinstall, my past mods for LOD etc are all gone so not sure what's what with the latest game update.
I did post another video in the 40 series thread of some PT gameplay though, that was 8 minutes or so of action, I can't recall any quirks in that segment, but it was to highlight in that thread that there are no obvious downfalls of using frame gen and dlss even when moving around quickly.
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Yes.