I really don't think this would be the case. After talking to ESPN and the BBC, Whelan was talking to SSN a short while ago and he made the point that Martinez knows what he wants and that he'd only take the job if it was the right job for him. He went on to talk about how Martinez wanted full control of footballing matters at Wigan from the Academy right up to the first team. You have to remember he turned down the Villa job last year because he wasn't satisfied with what was on offer.
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I really don't think this would be the case. After talking to ESPN and the BBC, Whelan was talking to SSN a short while ago and he made the point that Martinez knows what he wants and that he'd only take the job if it was the right job for him. He went on to talk about how Martinez wanted full control of footballing matters at Wigan from the Academy right up to the first team. You have to remember he turned down the Villa job last year because he wasn't satisfied with what was on offer.
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That's encouraging although highly unlikely given how FSG want to split up control of the club isn't it?
He was a huge loss but his injury only really turned draws in to defeats. We struggled in front of goal all season and had we put more chances away his injury would've been less noticeable.
He'd have to give up some control if he wanted the job but providing the club are appointing a manager (or a coach) that fits into the philosophy they want to implement then control shouldn't be an issue because their ideas should match.
Without a doubt we were goal shy, we had 3rd best defense in the league so that was not so much the issue.
It does not help losing part of the spine of your team though.
Something Benitez always used to talk about was controlling the midfield. Without Lucas we rarely had complete control of games, even games when we were the better side. I can't remember which manager it was but during Benitez's days there was a manager (it might have been Strachan) who was a pundit for one of our games and shot down Richard Keys when he was banging on about holding midfielders. He claimed that prozone type stats showed that Masch and Alonso were key to our attacking play and that we were the best side in Europe at pinning sides back due to them constantly winning the ball back, picking up clearances etc.
As above, even when we played well, we never had any sort of sustained pressure on the opposition when Lucas was out of the side. We attacked in spurts. Lucas provided the platform to our attacks and imo was as big a miss to our attacking play as a goalscorer was.
Confirmation of Martinez meeting with John Henry in Miami today:
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Someone made a good point about him earlier, would he be in the running if he had started the season how he finished and finished the season how he started? Not a chance.
I'm not sure he'd be my first choice but it's complicated. The club want to implement a set-up where by a manager comes in and works to the clubs philosophy and therefore if/when he leaves, the club doesn't require wholesale changes.
It's being reported that Pep Segura (one of the Academy guys brought in from Barca) has or will be promoted to work alongside another technical/sporting director (possibly van Gaal - who is said to be close to Segura) and that they will lead the overall strategy of the club. You then have to look at who's the best man to work in that set-up, not the best manager. For example, Capello's an excellent manager but he's not somebody I can see that working in this kind of set-up, nor do I think he'd share a common vision with the senior management on how the team should play.
If you look at Martinez's overall philosophy and style of football that his teams play, there's a lot of similarities to what Liverpool want to implement throughout the club. In an ideal world he'd have proven himself at a higher level also.
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Don't forget Fergie wanted him as his number 2 when he was at Swansea. I don't expect Liverpool fans to fall over themselves to applaud Fergie, far from it but you can't deny he knows what he is talking about and to recognise Martinez 4-5 years ago is some compliment.
Football is a very simple game and it often fails for two basic reasons. Right players wrong system. Wrong system, right players. Martinez got the mix right towards the back end of the season, late to the party for sure but nobody is relegated, promoted or win the league with ten games to go unless your previous thirty games suggest otherwise.
Let's look at your previous three managers
Daglish - Liverpool Legend. Instigated some great results but when they Halo effect wore off he was found lacking. His real defficiency was not on the training pitch but dealing with the media.
Hodgson - Never liked by Liverpool fans. Despite his experience both at club and international level, you would think he had been on a baby killing massacre at Albert Dock for the way he has been vilified by some 'Fans'
Benitez - #talktorafa, give me a break. A complete Hypocritical Megalomaniac if ever there was one.
Are Liverpool fans suggesting that Marinez could not manage the media better than Daglish, Play more attractive football than Hodgson or not be a stooge like Benitez. If he goes out to America and he meets the ambitions of the club owners to get you where you should be in the league then what is the issue.
Unfortunately Liverpool fans you are no longer the Saturday Night Heavy Wight Champion of the World bout you used to be, your a little further down the card. You could do worse than a Young manager with fresh ideas (Yes that is what is needed at an institution like Liverpool), who will make mistakes, more importantly learn from them without the massive ego of Daglish, Hodgson or Benitez who wouldn't.
Some quality comments.
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Would they go back again though?
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Would they go back again though?
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He got what he deserved plain and simple. The man's a complete ****.
The biggest complaint people have is there are far better managers available who aren't even in a job and would jump at the chance to manage Liverpool.
I'm sorry Loki but this is utter nonsense. Liverpool fans didn't just not like him. There was a reason why we began to dislike him.
He came in and in his very first press-conference he claimed that he didn't want to sell any players before we added to the squad because our squad was too small. Within a couple of weeks we'd sold a couple of players - Hodgson admitting he had no idea what was going on with those players too - brought nobody in and he was now saying that we needed to sell players because our squad was too big. He was a yes man, it's plain and simple.
To make things worse, he then insulted and dismissed supporters that were campaigning against the owners. When he done that he was done for. There's also the small matter of playing the worst football I've seen a Liverpool side play in my lifetime and leaving us a few points of the relegation zone and going backwards quickly.
what Tom84 says is right, this is giving off all the early signs of when hodgson was appointed. people weren't happy when it was only a rumour and no matter what he did they (the fans) had already made their mind up about him.
hodgson is a stella bloke, so is martinez. one of them being treated badly was enough, i can only see the same happening with martinez. liverpool realising in january that he isn't taking the club in the direction he wants and he's looking for another club at easter and carrying a massive dent to his confidence.
hodgson is a stella bloke, so is martinez. one of them being treated badly was enough, i can only see the same happening with martinez. liverpool realising in january that he isn't taking the club in the direction he wants and he's looking for another club at easter and carrying a massive dent to his confidence.
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No matter what he did? You mean bitch about everyone and everything whilst failing massively as our manager
