Dalglish resigned/sacked?

BaZ87 said:
Why?
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Because for all Liverpool's failings I cant help but feel Dalglish just being in charge got more out of the Liverpool players than other managers could, to ask Martinez to even match what Dalglish did in Martinez's first season is a hard task, if he managed it though I think it would go down as a very good foundation for him to build on
 
Purdy said:
Then why in the **** are they getting Martinez?
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They've only spoke to him.

And any manager they appoint will be given time providing they're making reasonable progress.
Tom84 said:
Because for all Liverpool's failings I cant help but feel Dalglish just being in charge got more out of the Liverpool players than other managers could, to ask Martinez to even match what Dalglish did in Martinez's first season is a hard task, if he managed it though I think it would go down as a very good foundation for him to build on
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The Dalglish effect wore off at the back end of the season before last. And even if any incoming manager can't get the players to play for him as well as Dalglish did, they will have other strengths that will make up for that loss. As I said, I don't think our results matched our level of performance on the whole and I believe that our performances levels should only increase too. The likes of Henderson and Carroll are only going to improve and (touch wood) we're likely to have our key players available more than we did last season too.
 
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BaZ87 said:
They've only spoke to him.

And any manager they appoint will be given time providing they're making reasonable progress.


The Dalglish effect wore off at the back end of the season before last. And even if any incoming manager can't get the players to play for him as well as Dalglish did, they will have other strengths that will make up for that loss. As I said, I don't think our results matched our level of performance on the whole and I believe that our performances levels should only increase too. The likes of Henderson and Carroll are only going to improve and (touch wood) we're likely to have our key players available more than we did last season too.
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Spoke with the intent to possibly sign, if 4th is there must meet target next year they're pretty retarded chasing Martinez.
 
Wigan chairman has been on Sky Sports News saying that Liverpool will have to pay £2-3m to buy Martinez out of his contract, makes Rafa look even more of a bargain he could buy a decent up and coming Spanish player for that. :p
 
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BaZ87 said:
Maybe next time when you're calling for a managers head, you'll give some thought over who could realistically replace him.
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There are plenty of realistic replacements, unfortunately I don't run lfc Baz do I haven't got the plan in place for the replacements, but to say there aren't realistic replacements who could do much better with the money/squad than Kenny did is a bit narrow minded.
 
You're right, you don't run Liverpool so calling for Dalglish's head knowing full well that the club wouldn't go back to Benitez (as that's who you're going to name) leaves you in this position.

Discounting Benitez (because as above, the club won't go back to him), who are the other options we should be looking at appointing? As I said right after Dalglish was sacked, that's the easy part done, the difficult part is finding a replacement.
 
All I can say is

24.03.2012 Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
21.12.2011 Wigan Athletic 0-0 Liverpool
12.02.2011 Liverpool 1-1 Wigan Athletic
10.11.2010 Wigan Athletic 1-1 Liverpool
08.03.2010 Wigan Athletic 1-0 Liverpool
16.12.2009 Liverpool 2-1 Wigan Athletic

3 Draws, 2 Wins and a lost against the mightly LFC in 3 years. :D

I have lost a lot of respect for Liverpool fans over this, completely disgusting remarks against Martinez and Wigan. On here, facebook and the internet.

smithy35

Yesterday 10:39 PM

£2-3 million - Thats nothing!

We'll be paying him four or five times that in severence pay alone in a years time when it all goes **** up!
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waterloosunset

Yesterday 10:04 PM

Martinez is worth far more to Wigan than Liverpool. If these Americans are as astute as they look they will kick this decent and competant manager into the long grass.

With Van Gaal and Benitez available, surely a short list of two is all Liverpool need.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...Wigan-will-cost-a-minimum-of-2-3-million.html
 
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BaZ87 said:
You're right, you don't run Liverpool so calling for Dalglish's head knowing full well that the club wouldn't go back to Benitez (as that's who you're going to name) leaves you in this position.

Discounting Benitez (because as above, the club won't go back to him), who are the other options we should be looking at appointing? As I said right after Dalglish was sacked, that's the easy part done, the difficult part is finding a replacement.
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Certainly wouldn't mind AVB compared to others named.

Also no reason the club couldn't go back to Rafa, whoever it is needs proper backing and time to build a team to resemble something they want.
But if they spend 35 mil on a striker and drop him every time he scores or the biggest game of the season right when he looks **** hot then something is seriously wrong, that along with the mismanagement of Henderson and our tactics being so unbalanced, I don't know a team like us that overloads the left hand side so much with attacks. And also the complete lack of interest in making substitutions Kenny made the picture pretty difficult for himself.

Like I also said agreeing with you some what, the club sacked our manager with no real replacement lined up yet, or if Martinez I would rather have given Kenny the time to sort it out, we're rather directionless now and wasting time on a manager or DoF being able to pick our targets.


Also Kenny was never going to be a Ferguson or Wenger, he's getting on now, would have been nice to see out his contract with us sitting in top 4 but it seems FSG had their expectations and really he had to finish third to keep the job, if he knew that and put full focus in the cups that's up to him. It felt the league was always second string come January, even from the players, that awful day at Bolton really solidified that.


No idea where I'm going with this now, Kenny could have been given another year to sort out the mess considering what's been spent, but too late now either due to owners targets or fan pressure(I doubt.). But it would seem most fans are impatient like myself and want instant success. Whoever the manager is they will receive my support until the day they leave unless they turn out to be another Roy, whilst I felt change was due for Kenny it never stopped me singing his name or having a feeling of resentment towards him, just a lot of frustration during/after matches.


Goodluck to whoever it is and FSG as I'm totally unconvinced they know what they're doing/are they being advised by a complete moron.
 
cheets64 said:
All I can say is

24.03.2012 Liverpool 1-2 Wigan Athletic
21.12.2011 Wigan Athletic 0-0 Liverpool
12.02.2011 Liverpool 1-1 Wigan Athletic
10.11.2010 Wigan Athletic 1-1 Liverpool
08.03.2010 Wigan Athletic 1-0 Liverpool
16.12.2009 Liverpool 2-1 Wigan Athletic

3 Draws, 2 Wins and a lost against the mightly LFC in 3 years. :D

I have lost a lot of respect for Liverpool fans over this, completely disgusting remarks against Martinez and Wigan. On here, facebook and the internet.





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...Wigan-will-cost-a-minimum-of-2-3-million.html
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I wouldn't call those remarks disgusting, but rather fear of a gamble that there is a high chance won't pay off after what we've seen since 10/11.

Martinez did some job keeping you up, that is not to say he is suited to Liverpool, nor does it mean us who don't fancy him think he's a bad manager, if he is given the job he will get great support from many a fan regardless of their doubts.

Also yes you've been a bit of a bogey team for us :p
 
At least we'll be safe from relegation next season! I'd much rather have AVB or Rafa back. I've got nothing against Martinez but I feel like his late season flurries blur the fact that Wigan were awful throughout the first 33 games of the season.

I guess being good for the final 5 games a season will be better than being good for no games a season.
 
I'm sure Martinez will be a great appointment for Liverpool. If nothing else he'll see that you just about manage to avoid relegation next year which you probably wouldn't have done with "King Kenny" based on the last few months form. :D

In reality though I predict that Martinez will get the job, "Spirit of Shankly" will call for his head they're not in the top 4 by christmas and we'll repeat this whole sorry affair next Summer but with added chants of "YANKS OUT".

Remember how Newcastle used to be the joke club in the PL? Congrats Liverpool fans, it's now you guys.
 
Some of the comments on that article are quite funny.

Martinez will be superb. You will start slowly but he will keep you up.
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:D

He could turn out to be a top Liverpool manager but after Hodgson/Dalglish I wouldn't take a gamble, the club needs stability and a proven manager.
 
IF Liverpool want to be taken seriously, their fans need to start being serious.

Over the past two seasons(well a lot more than that really) when Liverpool have had a serious number of games in other cup competitions, they've dropped league form dramatically.

Hodgson had a LOT of European games to deal with in the first half of last season and league form was poor. Second half of the season Liverpool had nothing, no europa, no league cup, no fa cup and form improved(plus one extra striker... and Carroll).

This season a lot more cup games which really only kicked off with a heavy schedule in the second half of the season because liverpool were only in the FA cup from Jan onwards, and league cup only got more important games from November onwards. Liverpools form in the first half of the season wasn't too bad, form in the second half of the season with basically 10 extra games to play was..... absymal.

Europa league, don't expect a great first half to the season, expect the second half once out of Europa(assuming they do go out) to be much improved(unless they also do well in the cups again).

Most teams drop form when having extra games to play, even Utd/Arsenal/Chelsea/Real/Barca, when they drop points its fairly often after a European tie, even more so if its a tough away tie. But there are really only a few teams, Utd, Real, Barca who can be strong in both the league and the Champs league or Europa league.

The likelyhoods of Liverpool having a good season with three cup competitions to play in, a relatively small and weak squad and a new manager are..... small.

Seriously, just look at the history of teams that get Euro football and drop league form, Chelsea should be a good reminder, win the CL, worse in the league, Utd out of CL early, out of Europa earlier than usual, one of their best points seasons ever?

Whoever is manager, they do poorly in the cups going for league, and they'll be crucified of playing like a small team manager, go after cups/europe and suck in the league, they'll be crucified. Go big after all competitions, something the 3-4 strongest teams in Europe can't do in the majority of seasons, and the fans will likely crucify the manager for not being good enough for Liverpool.
 
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