Declining attitude to law and order

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mmj_uk said:
So that's what a 40% success rate? what would they do if these gangs actually had respect for them and didn't film each other committing violent crimes to put on Youtube? the guy could have had his neck broken and police were probably nowhere in the area because they're too busy policing Facebook and Twitter protecting overly sensitive people from being offended.
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Total nonsense, try again when you've got some new material.

Werewolf said:
What would you prefer a situation like the US where the police are often barely trained in the proper use of their guns, and have little ongoing training, or one where every armed officer is effectively trained to the same (or better) level as State (if not federal) level SWAT teams?
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In fairness, the alternative to our current model isn't a situation like the US though, they have their own problems that are fairly unique to them for a number of reasons. There are plenty of other countries (including Northern Ireland) from which we could draw inspiration and best practice.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
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Saw that earlier and it made my blood boil, these thugs deserve a good kicking in so they know how it feels like.
hopefully they get caught and are old enough to go to a real prison for adults so they can feel as weak and powerless as that poor chap
 
arknor said:
Saw that earlier and it made my blood boil, these thugs deserve a good kicking in so they know how it feels like.
hopefully they get caught and are old enough to go to a real prison for adults so they can feel as weak and powerless as that poor chap
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That's nice and all, but you know when are you going to realise it's not going to solve it? There are 14 MILLION people in (yes woe is me for daring to bring it up) Relative (woe is me again, pls downtrod on the poor pls) poverty and 4.5 million of them are children suffering from this horrific global embarrassment of an economy.

Theres no future for many of them, so there's nothing you can do short of genocide to stop them from being belligerent.
 
No it doesn't reset, the same thing again will happen, it needs a totty different system not based on greed.
 
StriderX said:
Theres no future for many of them, so there's nothing you can do short of genocide to stop them from being belligerent.
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In the past you have advocated killing off the oldest generation. Today you are suggesting killing off the youngest generation.

I ask myself, are you the most dangerous person on the Internet I've ever seen? (and I've been online for over 25 years)

Tefal said:
Short of getting rid of humans how are you going to do that?
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It seems you are both against corporal punishment yet you'd rather kill them... makes sense :rolleyes:
 
BowdonUK said:
In the past you have advocated killing off the oldest generation. Today you are suggesting killing off the youngest generation.

I ask myself, are you the most dangerous person on the Internet I've ever seen? (and I've been online for over 25 years)



It seems you are both against corporal punishment yet you'd rather kill them... makes sense :rolleyes:
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You have an odd way of thinking if you believe it's advocation to recognise that maybe all that people want is for these maligned individuals be tortured at great cost by the taxpayer instead of just removed entirely, it's cold logic if anything.

There is no middle ground here, you either help these people or you remove them from life, because clearly the far-right headbanging ***** who scream bloody murder every time a yoof commits a crime entirely because their state of mind is ruined by terrible circumstances just want to continue a violent cycle rather than break it.
 
StriderX said:
You have an odd way of thinking if you believe it's advocation to recognise that maybe all that people want is for these maligned individuals be tortured at great cost by the taxpayer instead of just removed entirely, it's cold logic if anything.
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Corporal punishment isn't torture. But what you advocate is a complete over reaction, murder.

Giving out corrective punishments with the aim of that person improving is a lot different than giving up on them. I think it says a lot that you think if someone is poor and working class then its expected that they will rob others and be anti-social. You seem to blame a persons social class for how they act instead of each individual taking responsibility for their own actions. This way of thinking is how we've got in to the 'everyones a victim' society mindset.

StriderX said:
There is no middle ground here, you either help these people or you remove them from life, because clearly the far-right headbanging ***** who scream bloody murder every time a yoof commits a crime entirely because their state of mind is ruined by terrible circumstances just want to continue a violent cycle rather than break it.
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Today you're having a go at the far-right, yesterday it was against the socialists.

We haven't had corporal punishment in 40+ years. There is no "violent cycle". When it as come to discipline there has been none and so we've ended up with lawless youth, yet your answer seems to be continue doing what we're doing or kill them off!

How about we be constructive and have tougher sentences for violent crimes rather than giving them a slap on the wrist saying "you have been a very naughty boy!". Even if it doesn't change the person at least they will be off the streets for a while. Sadly by the time the young people in the video get to their age the chance of them changing their ways is low. But unless they have committed a crime that goes beyond the pale then they should be given a chance in prison to improve. We need a different way of thinking about criminal justice in this country that will benefit all society. We've had 40+ years of going down hill.
 
The lawless youth are forgotton people, a social underclass that has zero prospects due the utter contempt and greed of the system. You need to get lucky and be utterly ruthless in this world now, thanks to a failed political system that has been and rigged centuries. Now even more so with our politician's about as representative of the people as oil sits on water.

We need a bloody good revolution. The only hope is brexit and the city of London collapsing and all the banker toffs leaving the uk :)
 
StriderX said:
That's nice and all, but you know when are you going to realise it's not going to solve it? There are 14 MILLION people in (yes woe is me for daring to bring it up) Relative (woe is me again, pls downtrod on the poor pls) poverty and 4.5 million of them are children suffering from this horrific global embarrassment of an economy.

Theres no future for many of them, so there's nothing you can do short of genocide to stop them from being belligerent.
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This wasn't about poverty, this was a gang of "Brown" youths beating up a "White" guy because he had strayed into "Their territory".

Imagine the Guardian headlines had the ethnic roles been reversed!
 
Orionaut said:
This wasn't about poverty, this was a gang of "Brown" youths beating up a "White" guy because he had strayed into "Their territory".

Imagine the Guardian headlines had the ethnic roles been reversed!
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The foresightedness of some was uncanny:

"A week or two ago I fell into conversation with a constituent, a middle-aged, quite ordinary working man employed in one of our nationalised industries.

After a sentence or two about the weather, he suddenly said: "If I had the money to go, I wouldn't stay in this country." I made some deprecatory reply to the effect that even this government wouldn't last for ever; but he took no notice, and continued: "I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas. In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man."

I can already hear the chorus of execration. How dare I say such a horrible thing? How dare I stir up trouble and inflame feelings by repeating such a conversation?

The answer is that I do not have the right not to do so. Here is a decent, ordinary fellow Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that his country will not be worth living in for his children.

I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking - not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history."

The video is chilling.
 
I was in the local co-op earlier, someone walked in and stuffed a bag full of wine, he walked out and the staff did nothing. Apparently they are not meant to do anything, and the police never turn up. It was all a little bizarre TBH.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Odd that you find the accuracy of such a terrible prediction "amusing", but I guess that's how some see the effects of changes in the UK's demographics.
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I explained what I found amusing and it's not what you just implied.

Your manipulation is also amusing.
 
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