Declining attitude to law and order

[Chris Wilson]

I was in the local co-op earlier, someone walked in and stuffed a bag full of wine, he walked out and the staff did nothing. Apparently they are not meant to do anything, and the police never turn up. It was all a little bizarre TBH.

Bizarre, I was in Tesco in Whitchurch early yesterday evening and the store security guy was asking some lad to empty his pockets. He found a load of batteries and some other quite expensive small items from the store that had not been paid for. He just collected them up and sent the lad off outside... Perhaps they need to collar them outside of the store? The lad just found it funny as did his six mates watching from the doorway.

 

[StriderX]

I love anecdotes too, today literally nothing happened.

 

[Chris Wilson]

I love anecdotes too, today literally nothing happened.

Have got up yet?

 

[mmj_uk]

I was in the local co-op earlier, someone walked in and stuffed a bag full of wine, he walked out and the staff did nothing. Apparently they are not meant to do anything, and the police never turn up. It was all a little bizarre TBH.

They're probably too busy arresting some guy on Facebook for hate crimes after describing a bizarre situation in which a 'whino' was casually shoplifting and wasn't apprehended, after a whine drinker took offense and reported it.

 

[R F]

Online hate crimes are arguably more important in society today than petty misdemeanors like theft from a faceless multi national. Material wealth is cheap, mental wealth is expensive. Facebook et al are the modern day pubs and coffee shops of modern society. We wouldn't tolerate crime on the streets and neither should we online. I always find it astonishing that people make a distinction, as if online is not real Its very real. Just why are people stealing from these multi nationals? Austerity, wealth disparity, systemic racism, brazen and open class warfare by the elites on the poor. If one examines subcapitalist discourse, we're faced with either accepting Debordist dystopia or conclude that language and thus hate crimes on facebook may be used to disempower minorities and other powerless groups. More resources should go into policing Twitter and Facebook. We should probably nationalise these companies, or rather, globalise them under common ownership of the UN since they are global utilities now.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Online hate crimes are arguably more important in society today than petty misdemeanors like theft from a faceless multi national. Material wealth is cheap, mental wealth is expensive. Facebook et al are the modern day pubs and coffee shops of modern society. We wouldn't tolerate crime on the streets and neither should we online. I always find it astonishing that people make a distinction, as if online is not real Its very real. Just why are people stealing from these multi nationals? Austerity, wealth disparity, systemic racism, brazen and open class warfare by the elites on the poor. If one examines subcapitalist discourse, we're faced with either accepting Debordist dystopia or conclude that language and thus hate crimes on facebook may be used to disempower minorities and other powerless groups. More resources should go into policing Twitter and Facebook. We should probably nationalise these companies, or rather, globalise them under common ownership of the UN since they are global utilities now.

You are Citizen Smith and I claim my 500 Rubles

 

[mmj_uk]

I caught this earlier.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...isappearing-warns-chairman-police-federation/

Common sense policing has "gone out of the window" with officers forced to spend their time intervening in trivial social media disputes rather than attending burglaries and other serious crimes, the new head of the Police Federation has said.

John Apter, who represents 120,000 rank and file officers across England and Wales, said his members were "incredibly frustrated" because they felt were no longer able to do the job they had signed up to do.

Rather than attending burglaries and helping to prevent soaring levels of violence, police officers were often being deployed to sort out petty arguments on Facebook and Twitter he said.

What I would disagree with is his claims that the police are still under-resourced, they should show that they can spend what resources they already have responsibly before demanding more. Prioritising hurty words is not good value for money and what do they do about 'offensive' people outside UK jurisdiction anyway?

Hurting peoples feelings are not crimes unless you live in some sort of totalitarian state that seeks to control every aspect of peoples lives and curtail all individual freedoms (oh wait.. we do now don't we), if you're that sensitive then simply don't log onto the internet and lets go back to being country that supports all freedoms (the bad comes with the good it's the price you have to pay).

 

[Mason-]

I caught this earlier.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...isappearing-warns-chairman-police-federation/



What I would disagree with is his claims that the police are still under-resourced, they should show that they can spend what resources they already have responsibly before demanding more. Prioritising hurty words is not good value for money and what do they do about 'offensive' people outside UK jurisdiction anyway?

Hurting peoples feelings are not crimes unless you live in some sort of totalitarian state that seeks to control every aspect of peoples lives and curtail all individual freedoms (oh wait.. we do now don't we), if you're that sensitive then simply don't log onto the internet and lets go back to being country that supports all freedoms (the bad comes with the good it's the price you have to pay).

Can you quote the whole article please?

 

[Burnsy2023]

What I would disagree with is his claims that the police are still under-resourced, they should show that they can spend what resources they already have responsibly before demanding more.

What is this opinion based on? Just news articles? You really have no idea about the level of resourcing.

Prioritising hurty words is not good value for money and what do they do about 'offensive' people outside UK jurisdiction anyway?

The issue is that when police are called, we often don't have enough information to know the difference between "hurty words", domestic abuse, stalking or proper harassment. You only know when you've talked to victims and at that point if you have a crime you need to make an assessment about the level of investigation it then requires. Regardless of your end result, that's three hours of a deployable unit off the road, even if it's just written up and filed.

I can tell just from your phrasing that you think social media jobs are a large proportion of police work and that they are all a waste of time. I know Jon Apter from his time in my force and he's making the point that we do deal with stuff that we shouldn't but please don't get sucked in and think that Police are prioritising these incidents on a local level.

I promise you I could scare you when you realise how few officers there are to respond to 999 calls, especially at night.

 

[Skunkworks]

I caught this earlier.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...isappearing-warns-chairman-police-federation/



What I would disagree with is his claims that the police are still under-resourced, they should show that they can spend what resources they already have responsibly before demanding more. Prioritising hurty words is not good value for money and what do they do about 'offensive' people outside UK jurisdiction anyway?

Hurting peoples feelings are not crimes unless you live in some sort of totalitarian state that seeks to control every aspect of peoples lives and curtail all individual freedoms (oh wait.. we do now don't we), if you're that sensitive then simply don't log onto the internet and lets go back to being country that supports all freedoms (the bad comes with the good it's the price you have to pay).

You should look up some of Jonathan Haidt's talks on the Coddled Generation. He explains how a lot of the West have raised a generation of emotional stunted, infantilised, people who’ll run to authority at the slightest thing.

This explains why the West is voting away from Leftist/Progressivism, and it's all the same emotional stunted people who are having a hysterical spackfit about it.

 

[Chris Wilson]

You should look up some of Jonathan Haidt's talks on the Coddled Generation. He explains how a lot of the West have raised a generation of emotional stunted, infantilised, people who’ll run to authority at the slightest thing.

This explains why the West is voting away from Leftist/Progressivism, and it's all the same emotional stunted people who are having a hysterical spackfit about it.

Quite, a generation or two of misfits incapable of standing on their own feet and making impractical demands upon authorities over trivialities. I even had a barmaid run to the landlord because a group at the bar were discussing immigration and "Brexit" which she found "troubling". She was new and unaware the landlord made me look like a liberal lefty, so she was gone within the week... Some young people are incapable of overhearing private conversations of opposing opinions without getting involved as if they themselves were the target audience.

 

[MatsyLR]

What was actually happening in that?
Did the black guy attack the police?
Did the police attack the black guy? why? did they have a good reason? did they escalate?
Was the black guy just refusing to comply because he hasn't done anything?

The public shouldn't be obligated to do whatever the police say unless they have committed a crime.
Context matters quite a lot here.

 

[Tefal]

I caught this earlier.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...isappearing-warns-chairman-police-federation/



What I would disagree with is his claims that the police are still under-resourced, they should show that they can spend what resources they already have responsibly before demanding more. Prioritising hurty words is not good value for money and what do they do about 'offensive' people outside UK jurisdiction anyway?

Hurting peoples feelings are not crimes unless you live in some sort of totalitarian state that seeks to control every aspect of peoples lives and curtail all individual freedoms (oh wait.. we do now don't we), if you're that sensitive then simply don't log onto the internet and lets go back to being country that supports all freedoms (the bad comes with the good it's the price you have to pay).

I dunno it a really probbsl y is a better use of resources.


Attended the scene of a burglary = usual out come nothing. There's not gonna be evidence or any arrest.

Deal with some online bs = outcome probably a charge for whatever it is as there's evidence. And maybe prevent from escalating.

 

[GGizmo]

Here is the latest;

Northamptonshire Police targets suspicious 'bling' in new campaign
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-45653419

A police force is asking the public to report people who have "too much bling" and who they suspect may be using crime to fund their "lavish" lifestyle.

Northamptonshire Police says signs to look out for include people with expensive cars who show "no signs of legitimate work" to pay for them.

Confiscation orders can be used to recover assets when people benefit from their crimes.

People are asked to call 101 with their suspicions.

Det Supt Mark Behan said: "The vast majority of crime we see is carried out through greed to make money and lead an easy lifestyle.

"If we can stop people from living a lavish lifestyle on the back of crime then we will take away one of the main motivators."

 

[asim18]

Here is the latest;

Northamptonshire Police targets suspicious 'bling' in new campaign
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-45653419

Oh dear.

Another prime example of divide and conquer.

How sad is it to ask people to report people who have a nice car. That's just unbelievable. And shocking if anyone actually is jealous enough to start reporting people TO THE POLICE just for driving a better car or having more money than them.

 

[StriderX]

Well it's entirely justified, if they suddenly have this massively expensive car, it's either because they're doing something illegal, there's been a windfall or they're spending too much money/renting that ****.

It's basically just because there isn't enough police to watch for these things anymore, so the public end up being the better source of info. Kinda like those Romanian folk driving around in huge Range Rovers when they're "ladies" beg on the street.

 

[asim18]

Well it's entirely justified, if they

That's the key word though isn't it. Who is "they". Surely "they" are criminals already.

This is something different. People will be reporting people just because they don't know what they do for a living.

So what if a Romanian guy is driving a Range Rover? Does that mean I suddenly have to call the police to report a Romanian guy driving a Range Rover? What a charade.

Just because he COULD be a beggar gang lord.

Wake up people.

It's basically just because there isn't enough police to watch for these things anymore,

Umm people like you will turn this place into a police state.

Of course there is enough police. The thing is they don't need to watch these things nor do they have to watch facebook or other crap. You seem to be wanting more police just because you want them to be looking at Romanians and trawling social media for hate. lol

 

[FoxEye]

It's basically just because there isn't enough police to watch for these things anymore, so the public end up being the better source of info. Kinda like...

...Soviet Russia?

 

[asim18]

Proceeds from crime can be shut down overnight. Lets start by setting the price of drugs at what they're ACTUALLY worth, as opposed to this highly artificially inflated pricing which is caused by LAW itself.

 

[StriderX]

Am just deep state bruh, keeping you guys locked down.