Declining attitude to law and order

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/08/police-have-changed-dont-trust/

"The police have changed, and I don't trust them any more.

I no longer trust the police. Hold the phone: I never thought I’d say that. It’s not quite as definitive as it sounds, however, because I would have course dial 999 if I heard someone mucking about downstairs in the middle of the night. I’m just not sure the police would actually turn up. Or that they wouldn’t charge me with a hate crime against burglars.

I was raised with the myth – it was always a myth – of the community bobby who kept the streets safe by being visible and authoritative. Nowadays the police seem to react to crime rather than prevent it, and there’s no guarantee even of that. It turns out that the West Yorkshire force has set a target for “screening out” 56 per cent of cases brought to their attention, in other words they won’t be investigating the equivalent of 145,000 offences per year. One academic speculates that it’s probably theft, criminal damage and vandalism that will be ignored.

This is the pinnacle and the greatest depth of the target culture: imagine schools setting a target for churning out illiterates or the NHS for cancers gone untreated. Perhaps the West Yorkshire coppers are just being realistic about what they can and can’t do, but that’s little comfort to the locals living with a recorded crime rate that’s gone up 11 per cent year on year.

It’s not all the fault of the police; the Government has cut funding. The kind of crime reported is also changing, becoming more complex and difficult to investigate (Dixon of Dock Green never had to deal with emails from generous Nigerian princes). In times past I’d call for more cash and sympathy for those who put their safety on the line to maintain law and order – and leave the column at that. But there’s a niggling feeling at the back of my mind that what the police have become isn’t a product of only necessity but also of choice. That the millions spent on historic sex abuse cases or the obsession with hate crime or the endless celebration of diversity and equality represent a conscious decision to do one thing rather than another, to crack down on abusive tweets rather than, say, vandalism. And it’s motivated by ideology.

A lot of white, middle-class people are learning something that everyone else has always known: the police are political. We like to imagine that British institutions are run by objective public servants. The reality is that schools, hospitals and police forces are all arms of the state, and they reflect the values of those at the top of the power pyramid. Remember that the original policemen, or Peelers, launched in 1829, were distrusted and feared as a war on the poor and the disorderly, which is ironic because the very first Metropolitan policeman was sacked after just four hours on the job – why? Because he was drunk. The Peelers were given blue uniforms rather than the red type worn by the army, but many minorities have always seen them as an occupying force. Ask Scargill’s miners or the parents of any black child that died in custody.

Most Britons, however, have long regarded the fuzz as their friends because the cultural values of those in power has broadly corresponded to their own. But a change to the establishment that began in the Sixties has percolated slowly through the liberal welfare state and increasingly public services don’t do what many long assumed they existed to do: schools care less about teaching, universities discourage intellectual inquiry, Conservatives don’t conserve and Labour has little to do with the working-class. The police haven’t stopped policing – that would be a ridiculous assertion – but they do it in a different way than they did, shaped by new priorities. For anyone who doesn’t share their contemporary world view they risk becoming, well, like an occupying force.

Haven’t you noticed how the police suddenly look like soldiers? Covered in tasers and sprays, the uniform hidden beneath a luminous vest, often in shirt-sleeves, they’re a confusing mix of the informal and the intimidating. One neither instinctively feels respect nor familiarity, and thanks to their well-advertised war on prejudice, I’m terrified that if I ask them for directions I’ll give myself away as a conservative and wind-up in prison. One of the real miseries of political correctness is that it forces us all to pretend to be what we’re not, to obsess about saying the “wrong thing” and lose our natural relationship with those who we ought to feel totally at ease with. If I were married to a police officer, I guess what I’d be thinking is: “I can’t talk to you anymore. You’ve changed.”

I want to believe that beneath the surface, the police force is still stuffed with old-fashioned coppers who simply want to keep the streets safe – and maybe that is the truth. But when on the one hand you see crime going up and on the other all you hear the police talking about is political correctness, one has to assume they’re no longer interested in doing the job as it was once defined, which is dangerous because if the public feels unprotected they will take the law into their own hands."
 
Getting away with it: The village with 54 crimes a month - and only ONE prosecution
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...town-salford-crime-manchester-police-15269562

A Salford village was hit by 54 crimes in one month - and only a single shoplifter is facing prosecution.

Angry residents have accused Greater Manchester Police of letting Boothstown , an area of around 10,000 people, become an "easy target" for criminals.

The latest figures for August, published by government website police.uk, show a steady increase in crime in the area compared to previous months.

In May, there were 37 crimes in the Boothstown and Ellenbrook ward, in June there were 32 and in July 45.

Locals believe the trend is going up because no one is facing justice.

For example, in August there were fourteen reports of vehicle crime and the outcome for every single one has been marked by police as 'Investigation complete, no suspect identified'.

Overall, almost half of all crime in the ward is marked the same way.
 
I’m terrified that if I ask them for directions I’ll give myself away as a conservative and wind-up in prison.

I could kinda see where the author was coming from, until I got to this line and realised it is more sensationalist, right-wing drivel.
 
It comes down to lack of education, lack of respect and out-of-control (and somewhat misguided) understanding of human rights on the parts of the suspects/criminals.
 
I could kinda see where the author was coming from, until I got to this line and realised it is more sensationalist, right-wing drivel.


It's weird till it got to that line all the occupying force stuff and talking about black lids dying in custody I thought it was a proper left wing type.
 
More fear, more protection for officers, less protection for scrotes/drunks/scumbags/druggies the usual dreggs of society who have latched onto they deserve basic human rights after not being a basic human.

1st offence - Warning
2nd offence - Help (people do and fall on hard times, get in the wrong crowd etc etc)
3rd offence - A good old fashioned beating, just enough not to require a hospital visit
4th offence - PRISON
5th Offence - SHARK FOOD

Welcome to my new world order... VIVA EL PREZIDENTI
 
Do people still think this Tory v Labour voting nonsense has any effect on the eventual outcome of anything? I thought most people had realised that it's just a divide and rule mechanism.

It's only an externalisation mechanism for the steady collapse of society and enslavement. Some puppets are red and some puppets are blue. They let the citizens vote so voters of the opposite colour can always be blamed for anything bad which happens during that term. It's the same reason why the referendum happened, because there is no right decision, there is no improvement, the mandate for the entire EU is downhill and something needs to be blamed. And what better pawns to be used than a nation of easily propagandised Daily Mail readers?

It's such a basic psychosocial concept.



Vote Tory, police cuts, people suffer

B@

Police cuts are not the cause of scum like this reproducing and raising more generations of scum.
 
Can you even quantify this? How many extra police cars do you think you'd need? Even if there were 5 extra cars in that borough that night, they still wouldn't be able to catch this guy would they because the actual problem in this situation is that the bike thief ends up going down an alleyway or endangering pedestrians and the police have to give up chase.

We need to start looking at the actual causes of things here.
 
Just to make it clear, the current amount of police officers has no effect on the birth rate of scum and/or terrible/absent parenting.

There is absolutely zero correlation. Why on earth should more and more of the nation's resources be ploughed into policing just because more low life ****s are having more and more babies?

People's understanding of causality is just upside down lol.
 
how many of the offers were uniformed? I dont see 3 uniformed officers, a passer by it can look like 3 citizens tackling another.

Trying to analyse it on reruns, it looked like one officer with reasonable strength, the one who managed to keep hold for most of the video.
The lady was very weak, I think she was initially trying to cuff him on the ground and slipped, then later her attacks with the baton were pathetic, although the baton itself looks like a kids toy, some of her attacks seemed to have no force behind them.
The officer with the spray was barely involved after he he tried to spray.

There is a lot wrong with law enforcement right now.

There is clearly not enough street presence and in turn that leads to less physical incidents like this which makes me not surprised the police arent capable of carrying it out.
In terms of burglaries etc. policing is a joke. Its almost non existant.

The reality is now that police are primarily a anti driving offence entity, and also for major crimes only, plus bodyguards of high profile people, for anything else they a very small shadow of what they used to be. Probably a combination of multiple things causing this.

Budget cuts.
H&S with police not liking the risk of street patrols, challenging people etc.
Tied down with red tape.
Shifts of priority e.g. from dealing with anti social behaviour to speeding offences.

The moment the guy managed to get up I feel assistance should have been called which would be a van of 5+ cops heavily built all males, the sort of thing that happened in the 1980s.
 
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As an aside,

There have been a series of Adds on local radio trying to recruit people for the Met

Girly voice (That ticks one PC box anyway! :p )

It was all about....

Arresting Burglars, people who have robbed OAP's on the way home from collecting their pensions and Drug dealers (And so on).

And all of this is why it makes the job Sooo worthwhile!

Oh Yeah!

All those crimes that are actually right at the bottom of the priority list and where (Allegedly) over 50% are never even investigated and nearly 90% are never solved!

Sorry. ASA. Misrepresentation!!

:(
 
The moment the guy managed to get up I feel assistance should have been called which would be a van of 5+ cops heavily built all males, the sort of thing that happened in the 1980s.


There's a police station about 3 minutes away from where this happened.

Also said police station was completely surrounded by police vans about 3 months before this video happened. So there are definitely police vans "around" that area, they havent just dissappeared.


Also that area is a complete and utter mess right now they are destroying and ruining all the roads which is increasing congestion, and thus increasing police response times.
 
Still way less crime than there used to be.

So all this rose tinted stuff seems a bit odd

I dont think there is less crime, just less gets reported, way less solved, and some policies that declassify crime. Like e.g. shoplifting.

I remember ringing up trying to report drugs been grown in the flat above me about 5 years back, I was told by the police they wouldnt even investigate or do anything as that is something they no longer dealt with, when I asked who to report it to , the response was no one and just to "accept it".

Also I agree with the posts about society change.

The shop keepers, the bus wardens etc. Cops on the beat.

Also the whip at school which is now gone, children are brought up now very softly and many dont respect authority, that then passes onto adulthood in how they behave. This is also a problem where if children are caught doing crime, the punishments that can be levied are also limited.
 
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