Declining attitude to law and order

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TheVoice said:
Speeding offences are not what officers are tied up with for most of their shifts. You have absolutely no idea what's day-to-day policing in this country looks like.
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Well last week I was at a&e with a good mate of mine.

Total of 6 police officers babysitting 2 homeless people for 5+ hours.

So that was a total of 30 hours of police time being wasted fanning around in a hospital doing absolutely nothing whatsoever.

That's WORSE waste of time and professional resource than chasing driving offenses.
 
Orionaut said:
The Police are only a part of the "Justice system"

It is the "Justice Systems" priority's that are the question.
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That isn't what you initially said. You questioned policing priorities, those are set by the police.

asim18 said:
Well last week I was at a&e with a good mate of mine.

Total of 6 police officers babysitting 2 homeless people for 5+ hours.

So that was a total of 30 hours of police time being wasted fanning around in a hospital doing absolutely nothing whatsoever.

That's WORSE waste of time and professional resource than chasing driving offenses.
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Indeed, and that's endemic of the risk averse culture policing has had to adopt through them being held to account for the failings of other (mostly under-resourced) agencies. Cops would far rather be getting on with their actual job than ferrying serial mispers home, or escorting people to hospital who are in a state entirely of their own making through drink or drugs. But if the police don't deal with them, nobody else will.
 
asim18 said:
Just to make it clear, the current amount of police officers has no effect on the birth rate of scum and/or terrible/absent parenting.

There is absolutely zero correlation. Why on earth should more and more of the nation's resources be ploughed into policing just because more low life ****s are having more and more babies?

People's understanding of causality is just upside down lol.
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Exactly my thoughts, no amount of money thrown at the police will stop the cretins from breeding more cretins.
 
asim18 said:
Well last week I was at a&e with a good mate of mine.

Total of 6 police officers babysitting 2 homeless people for 5+ hours.

So that was a total of 30 hours of police time being wasted fanning around in a hospital doing absolutely nothing whatsoever.

That's WORSE waste of time and professional resource than chasing driving offenses.
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Similar to what TheVoice said, in this risk adverse culture if someone is hurt before or while being apprehended, or intoxicated to the point that going straight to custody they could be at risk they have to get checked out by a medical professional. Unfortunately custody doctors/ambulance crews lack the facilities to clear a possible head injury/ecg arrhythmia so frequently they end up in a+e. On top of this paramedics lack the powers to section someone so with some mental health jobs/aggressive patients the police get called in.
In either case not a great idea to leave a criminal/aggressive person with out police attendance. And yes it may appear to be over the top in numbers but there would be hell to pay if anyone got hurt because they we're unable to control them which is easier said than done when someone is off their head on alcohol or narcotics.
 
asim18 said:
Well last week I was at a&e with a good mate of mine.

Total of 6 police officers babysitting 2 homeless people for 5+ hours.

So that was a total of 30 hours of police time being wasted fanning around in a hospital doing absolutely nothing whatsoever.

That's WORSE waste of time and professional resource than chasing driving offenses.
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Why were they there though? Were they under arrest? Detained under the mental health or mental capacity act? Had they been violent or were they a risk to themselves?

Without knowing the full story, how can you say who was wasting who's time?
 
andi said:
Why were they there though? Were they under arrest? Detained under the mental health or mental capacity act? Had they been violent or were they a risk to themselves?

Without knowing the full story, how can you say who was wasting who's time?
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I cant, following on from TheVoice's oist it was just an example of some of the stuff a police officer can be "tied up" with.

When you consider the fact that these same people are the ones who deal with things like burglaries, rapes and murders, you cant dismiss the fact that drug addicts and tramps are more of a wasteful utilisation of their time and expertise (or at-least a poorer use of their time and expertise), especially if there is no victim other than the druggie/tramp himself.
 
asim18 said:
When you consider the fact that these same people are the ones who deal with things like burglaries, rapes and murders, you cant dismiss the fact that drug addicts and tramps are more of a wasteful utilisation of their time and expertise (or at-least a poorer use of their time and expertise), especially if there is no victim other than the druggie/tramp himself.
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Vulnerable and at-risk people require safeguarding, that isn't a "waste". It is however an ever-increasing burden on the police due to the lack of services available for these people elsewhere, and having to wait at hospital with such people until they can be seen and assessed is yet another symptom of lack of resources available in public services.

The police get blamed for everything that goes wrong if they've had any involvement in it, therefore they have to take additional steps to protect not just the people they're dealing with, but protect themselves from that risk also. Society has created this problem and now finds itself aghast when there are no officers available to respond to jobs or get on with their investigative workload.
 
Apparently the police now need the public to help make arrests or they won't bother.

'Officers will have to let violent thugs go free': Police chief warns PCs need more help from the public after officer was kung fu kicked into the path of an oncoming bus as witnesses simply stood by and filmed
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eader-fires-warning-calls-help-frontline.html

A male officer got set upon by two chavs and because his female partner was as much use as a chocolate fireguard they're now blaming the public. So police officers kitted out wearing stab proof vests etc and getting a decent wage want the public to put their lives on the line and do their jobs for them.

I especially liked this quote which highlights just how out of touch our police have become with the job they're supposed to be doing.

'We don't come to work to get assaulted, and if we're not going to be backed up in what we're doing then what is the point?'
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I'd stick to policing imaginary hate crimes and deploy the armed forces to deal with any violence starting with London.
 
mmj_uk said:
Apparently the police now need the public to help make arrests or they won't bother.

'Officers will have to let violent thugs go free': Police chief warns PCs need more help from the public after officer was kung fu kicked into the path of an oncoming bus as witnesses simply stood by and filmed
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eader-fires-warning-calls-help-frontline.html

A male officer got set upon by two chavs and because his female partner was as much use as a chocolate fireguard they're now blaming the public. So police officers kitted out wearing stab proof vests etc and getting a decent wage want the public to put their lives on the line and do their jobs for them.

I especially liked this quote which highlights just how out of touch our police have become with the job they're supposed to be doing.



I'd stick to policing imaginary hate crimes and deploy the armed forces to deal with any violence starting with London.
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You're really cool.
 
mmj_uk said:
Apparently the police now need the public to help make arrests or they won't bother.

'Officers will have to let violent thugs go free': Police chief warns PCs need more help from the public after officer was kung fu kicked into the path of an oncoming bus as witnesses simply stood by and filmed
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eader-fires-warning-calls-help-frontline.html

A male officer got set upon by two chavs and because his female partner was as much use as a chocolate fireguard they're now blaming the public. So police officers kitted out wearing stab proof vests etc and getting a decent wage want the public to put their lives on the line and do their jobs for them.

I especially liked this quote which highlights just how out of touch our police have become with the job they're supposed to be doing.



I'd stick to policing imaginary hate crimes and deploy the armed forces to deal with any violence starting with London.
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Of course it's a a Daily Mail article.
 
Strangely enough if you did help (the cops) and the perps were a protected minority you'd probably end up in the dock for hate crimes.
 
The two who attacked the officers need caught and locked away for years for assault on police. Once people start to go away for a few years for simple assaulting the police we will less smart asses attacking them. Same goes for EMT's etc.

If there was ever a case for firing a weapon that was it. Whether thats a taser or handgun. Pitty the police on the mainland are not armed.

Just think if he had of kicked her into the road and someone just simply ran over her head and killed her. The 2 chav's should have been put down right away.
 
teaboy5 said:
The two who attacked the officers need caught and locked away for years for assault on police. Once people start to go away for a few years for simple assaulting the police we will less smart asses attacking them. Same goes for EMT's etc.

If there was ever a case for firing a weapon that was it. Whether thats a taser or handgun. Pitty the police on the mainland are not armed.

Just think if he had of kicked her into the road and someone just simply ran over her head and killed her. The 2 chav's should have been put down right away.
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How impressive this comment is, truly a marvel of our time.
 
StriderX said:
How impressive this comment is, truly a marvel of our time.
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You keep demonstrating that you have more compassion for the perpetrators than their victims.

Why shouldn't we really crack down on violent thugs? Why shouldn't we punish these people to the max?

They are prepared, by either sheer maliciousness or utter disregard for the well-being of others, to attack, injure and possibly kill others with their extreme anti-social behaviour. Frankly, **** them. They don't care whose lives they ruin; why should we have feelings of compassion toward them?
 
FoxEye said:
You keep demonstrating that you have more compassion for the perpetrators than their victims.

Why shouldn't we really crack down on violent thugs? Why shouldn't we punish these people to the max?

They are prepared, by either sheer maliciousness or utter disregard for the well-being of others, to attack, injure and possibly kill others with their extreme anti-social behaviour. Frankly, **** them. They don't care whose lives they ruin; why should we have feelings of compassion toward them?
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Didn't work the last 200 years won't work the next 200, society chose to get rid of capital punishment because it did ******* nothing and just made for a bitter/degenerate social order. You focus on the crime and you forget about the context, you'll never solve the problem and will simply have more crime to deal with.

I'm really bored of this ****** discussion with authoritarian's taking awry sensible discussion with pitiful aggressive "manly men" answers.

The internet makes it excruciatingly easy to convict people, so it's no surprise they go after them, i'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it's got nothing on the stupidity of wasting resources over the past 60 years against a tide of drugs that have done quite literally nothing to abate the issue, drugs are practically decriminalised as the police have given up. This disconnect is part of the reason that people don't give a damn about the police doing their job, millions of people flaunt their drugs in public daily, even literally in front of officers... no one cares anymore about anything.

It's not just the police is my problem with this whole "durr brown folks" issue most people have, when it's clearly poverty and social collapse that run this show.
 
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StriderX said:
Didn't work the last 200 years won't work the next 200, society chose to get rid of capital punishment because it did ******* nothing and just made for a bitter/degenerate social order. You focus on the crime and you forget about the context, you'll never solve the problem and will simply have more crime to deal with.

I'm really bored of this ****** discussion with authoritarian's taking awry sensible discussion with pitiful aggressive "manly men" answers.
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Well I never said anything about capital punishment, and the chap you quoted suggested tazers as an option, so "put down" could have meant incapacitated, not killed.

Regardless, what social context would you advance to justify attacking cops, muggings, stabbings, etc?

You do realise that these people have it much better than a) many other parts of the world where there is real, life-and-death poverty and b) people in this country in ages past.

The modern-day chav has so little need for violent uprising and yet is demonstrably inclined toward it.

So do tell what the context driving his action is?
 
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