Do you think there's a balance of Laws, Crime Prevention and Policing where we can reach 0% crime? I think some people are just bad. They're raised by **** parents, are a bit stupid, a bit reckless, and don't give a **** about other people. All we can do is punish them when they inevitably commit crime. America is probably a bit too strict, we're a bit too ineffective. There's no perfect model but I'd rather criminals face the real risk of getting caught when they're deciding to go threaten people with a hammer for their mobile phone.
Declining attitude to law and order
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Do you think there's a balance of Laws, Crime Prevention and Policing where we can reach 0% crime? I think some people are just bad. They're raised by **** parents, are a bit stupid, a bit reckless, and don't give a **** about other people. All we can do is punish them when they inevitably commit crime. America is probably a bit too strict, we're a bit too ineffective. There's no perfect model but I'd rather criminals face the real risk of getting caught when they're deciding to go threaten people with a hammer for their mobile phone.
Propagating these videos of moped criminals getting run down is a good thing.
For a long time the idea propagated was that they will stop pursuits for health and safety. Which enticed these more of this type of criminal, now it will do the opposite hopefully.
For a long time the idea propagated was that they will stop pursuits for health and safety. Which enticed these more of this type of criminal, now it will do the opposite hopefully.
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Money well spent I think.
I expect police workshops have several expert panel beaters and it would not be commercial rates that apply.
A nudge from the spoiler of a 2 tonne police car on the rear end of a 150kg scooter will transfer a significant momentum to the scooter even if the nett closing speed was just 5mph. A 5mph impact will cause only minor damage to the car without harm to the occupants (whiplash) or major car components.
They did stop pursuits for health and safety, and regularly still do. Right now tactical contact can only be made if authorised by the control room, and even then only the specially trained 'Scorpion' units are really trusted to do it. To generally allow a pursuit of a 'solo' you have to either initiate with an 'advanced' driver (i.e. pursuits trained) or have one immediately available in the vicinity after a 'response' trained driver has initiated. Then it's down to several factors whether the pursuit is authorised to continue.
Sadly tactical contact isn't the norm, nor will it probably ever be.
I'd add that these Scorpion units have a lot more bottle than I do. Quite often we have mopeds or motorbikes make off from us but we don't initiate a pursuit out of fear of something going wrong, and having zero backing from either the management or the public if it does.
I believe there's a campaign for more protection in law for police drivers but it's a way off.
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Are these scorpion units different to TPAC ones?
We seem to have a tonne of TPAC units around here and every time there’s a moped on the loose there seems to be police vehicles in pursuit (we also have roving police motorbikes too).
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Bull bars, or even better, spikes on the front and the wheels, would limit the damage!
Firstly, (And I am being quite serious) it is necessary to define what a Crime actually is. Why they should be prevented in the first place and what the role of Policing should actually be.
This is not quite as simple as it might seem!
There is a reason why the US government has a strong authoritarian streak.
They had a really nasty civil war not that long ago (And no, it wasn't about Slavery!)
Yes, 1865 might seem like ancient history. But as of last year, there was still one last remaining Civil war pensioner
, so in the US cultural mind it really is only yesterday!The US central government is pretty paranoid about something like this happening again, and it is not at all impossible.
Many US citizens are also pretty paranoid about it too (Hence the very large numbers of people who also take their second amendment rights very seriously indeed)
The USA is actually unique as a nation state.
US society is an interesting thing to debate. But it should absolutely not be used as an example when discussing issues relating to other nations.
US cultural history is sufficiently unique that it really should not be used in comparison with any other nation state when discussing social issues.
It really shouldn't.
Shocking bodycam footage shows man repeatedly punching a police officer in the face and attacking her colleague
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-repeatedly-punching-police-officer-face.html
Apart from that both police officers were female and couldnt control the suspect, it again shows the disrespect people have for not only the police, but when that police officer is a woman they don't care either.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-repeatedly-punching-police-officer-face.html
Apart from that both police officers were female and couldnt control the suspect, it again shows the disrespect people have for not only the police, but when that police officer is a woman they don't care either.
Well, he wouldn't want to be accused of sexism on top of his assaulting a police officer charge now would he
Criminals don't even respect the law so why do police chiefs expect them to respect the people in uniforms enforcing them? the only thing they will respect is physically competent police able to handle themselves. It is meant to be the police 'FORCE' not the police 'LOOK AT MY UNIFORM AND SUBMIT BEFORE ME DEVIANT'. It's no wonder the police have abandoned real crime I bet a lot of them wouldn't even be able to handle a 13 year old teen kicking off.
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I was just reading a report on one of the local police facebook groups. I think this says it all about the problems in our society today;
Why is the court giving another referral order after he's committed a crime when he was on the previous one, and the police officers were advising against it? Why isn't he being locked up?
Why is the court giving another referral order after he's committed a crime when he was on the previous one, and the police officers were advising against it? Why isn't he being locked up?
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Lack of prison/young offender places? Prison service has been chronically underfunded for years.
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Just buy police cars with solid frames and mount the same bars the Yanks use.
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Based on your use of an emoji I assume that your post is the result of an extremely warped sense of humour.People like that shouldn't be able to breed.
However, I know that there are posters on this forum who advocate eugenics and even euthanasia based on their particular assessment of a desired population (amongst which I suspect they would include themselves) - you may well be amongst this group?
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NVM
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Police officer stabbed in 'frenzied machete attack
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49273979
Just 20 years ago nobody would have thought of directly attacking a policeman, even the criminals would avoid it at all costs.
Despite the medias constant claims, the British people are very tolerant. But if this lawlessness doesn't get controlled by the usual forces, I can see vigilantism in the future.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49273979
Just 20 years ago nobody would have thought of directly attacking a policeman, even the criminals would avoid it at all costs.
Despite the medias constant claims, the British people are very tolerant. But if this lawlessness doesn't get controlled by the usual forces, I can see vigilantism in the future.
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This is such a breathtakingly ill-informed assertion that I suggest you do a bit of research rather than wasting time posting absolute nonsense.
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