Declining attitude to law and order

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To be honest, I think the caller made his point quite well.
Really? All his excuses seemed pretty crap. "Our parents are at work making money and we're left to ourselves", yeah that's true for the majority of kids, most families don't have stay at home mums anymore. Why don't you do your homework, or go out with friends but maybe not get involved with people who stab each other? Next.
 
Really? All his excuses seemed pretty crap. "Our parents are at work making money and we're left to ourselves", yeah that's true for the majority of kids, most families don't have stay at home mums anymore. Why don't you do your homework, or go out with friends but maybe not get involved with people who stab each other? Next.
Kids with nothing to do, no services, parents out at work. Hang out on streets, bored. Stuff goes down, you get stabbed and report to the police. No justice is served, perpetrators get away with it. Same situation for your mate. And the kid from round the corner. Why would you not lose faith with the system?

And the presenter: how can he sit there and say "starts with bad parents" and then seem incredulous that these kids should get involved in bad stuff? If you can accept that outside influences can cause this (bad parenting) then how can you also flip and totally blame those involved for actually doing it? Make your mind up.
 
Really? All his excuses seemed pretty crap. "Our parents are at work making money and we're left to ourselves", yeah that's true for the majority of kids, most families don't have stay at home mums anymore. Why don't you do your homework, or go out with friends but maybe not get involved with people who stab each other? Next.

My parents worked full time, my brother would be home alone in the afternoon when we were teens, and we turned out fine.

I think the problem is more the company they keep, and all it takes is a few useless parents in an area to create some kids whose company is toxic.
 
My parents worked full time, my brother would be home alone in the afternoon when we were teens, and we turned out fine.

I think the problem is more the company they keep, and all it takes is a few useless parents in an area to create some kids whose company is toxic.

What I've found is kids hime alone will often be ok. It's when they're shipped off to grandparents who aren't willing to set limits that you can get problems.
Ultimately though it depends on their parents. Yours clearly did things right.
 
Comical watching this, they clearly need more training.


That Russian copper would have had him subdued in about 5secs, what's that quote from an excellent film....

It's basic dog psychology, if you scare them and get them peeing down their leg, they submit. But if you project weakness, that promotes violence, and that's how people get hurt.

Peace, through superior firepower.

Our police aren't just projecting weakness they're a laughing stock. If any criminal tries to resist arrest their only option is to call for half the local station. It's a combination of silly recruitment due to anti-discrimination laws and red tape preventing them from doing their jobs properly. Oh and if he was black there would have probably been organised riots no matter the circumstances and claims of racism. I feel sorry our police I really do, they're being set up to bring a knife to a gunfight due to all of the stupid bureaucracy.
 
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Look at this Australian copper at 6 foot 9 compared to his childlike counterpart, at 5 foot 1 she wouldn't stand a chance up against anyone other than from infants school.

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This was our tallest cop in 2011 at 7 foot 2:

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Kids with nothing to do, no services, parents out at work. Hang out on streets, bored. Stuff goes down, you get stabbed and report to the police. No justice is served, perpetrators get away with it. Same situation for your mate. And the kid from round the corner. Why would you not lose faith with the system?

And the presenter: how can he sit there and say "starts with bad parents" and then seem incredulous that these kids should get involved in bad stuff? If you can accept that outside influences can cause this (bad parenting) then how can you also flip and totally blame those involved for actually doing it? Make your mind up.
He's doesn't see it as incredulous that these kids get up to bad stuff. He sees it as incredulous that his reaction getting stabbed is to want to go out and stab them back, which is murder. We live in a society which is NOT an eye for an eye.

See Krootons response above. I was also left at home for 2 hours or so after school. I used to go out with my brother on our bikes, or play wall ball. Later on it moved on to going on MSN and talking to people and playing games like runescape (this was 2004-2009). I didn't ever feel the need to go out and get involved with dodgy kids, and there were dodgy kids. Because my parents told me not to, and funnily enough I had a respect for the authority of my parents and the police.
 
I like how many people are nostalgic for a time when the people of East London would happily assist the police with arrests and would never belittle them.

When was that exactly?
 
By brain dead idiots do you mean the other plain clothes police officers involved or the people standing on the other side of the street

I'd have to watch the video again but I wasn't talking about the guy with pepper spray obviously - some of the others didn't appear to be acting like plain clothes police.
 
Well it wasn't rosy years ago either. Remember my parents moving to Kendal in the Lake District back in the mid-70's. On a council estate where it quickly became apparent the local "yoof" did not take kindly to outsiders. (I'm sure 99% of Kendal residents were otherwise very nice people). No end of trouble - chanting outside the front garden, chucking objects at the house or banging on the doors and windows. Human scum, really. Mum and Dad called the police several times but even though they knew full well who the culprits were, all they ever did was "have a word" which inevitably just made things worse. It was a complex situation there for other reasons too and in the end we just ended up moving out of the place back to a more civilised part of the country.

That was in an era when you still had the Flying Squad and tougher sentencing than today, there was still physical punishment in schools and less than 15 years from the death penalty being abolished.

As regards today, while recognising there are complex social issues at work, in reality some humans are still scum. We need a police force sufficiently staffed and not afraid to wade in and collar the malcontents. Then they need to go away and for much longer than at present - even if that means building more or bigger prisons. Rehabilitation is all very well, but too much softly softly and the hardened criminals laugh in the face of the law.
 
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