Declining attitude to law and order

Burnsy2023 · 31 Aug 2018 at 15:09

Chris Wilson said:
There's been a strong influx of Somalians to the UK in recent years the size of the Somalian population was relatively small until then. The civil wars in Somalia in the eighties and nineties saw a large influx and we now have one of the, if not the largest Somalian populations in Europe, having gained a load more of them from Scandinavia. Somali born immigrants boast the lowest employment figures in the UK of all immigrants. Their use of the hallucinogenic, Khat is at the opposite end of the spectrum. They are known for extreme violence and a scant regard for UK law and order as this episode typifies:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ausing-devastating-repercussions-Britain.html

In their homeland they seem to favour piracy on the high seas with many cases of murder in the process.

None of that answers my question though.

Chris Wilson · 31 Aug 2018 at 15:24

Burnsy2023 said:
None of that answers my question though.

Which was how on earth would I know not many Somalians had been in the UK until relatively recently, based on my earlier post you quoted. I know due to a combination of general knowledge and checking the migration figures on internet sites. The majority arrived post 1970's. That is relatively recently in my mind and time scaling

I admit to a strong dislike of them, having been mugged by a pair in Manchester, years ago. But that was in the days of the great Chief Constable of Manchester, Sir James Anderton. His officers found them whilst I addressed a broken nose at the side of Lloyd Street with two Kleenex and little else, but I had the pleasure of witnessing a proper humiliating search and a proper example of how to deal with the two blokes who then tried to trash the inside of the police van when put inside, (send a dog in wait for the screams to stop, get dog out, snigger at the state of said blokes, pat dog, offer me a cig and tell me they'll make sure they have a real real bad time in the cells

). Job sorted. Good old days.

Psycho Sonny · 1 Sep 2018 at 14:26

MookJong said:
Wow, what an absolute circus. How poor that the staff of the restaurant are not helping the police, this just shows you the state of play. The staff probably felt too intimidated or are just as apathetic and dismissive themselves.

Edit:

An article has appeared in the Independent with comment from the police federation:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-met-police-federation-officers-a8512191.html

When the judiciary isn't even on your side you know its a sorry state.

genuine questions;

how many times have you called the police for help?

how many times has the police actually done anything of use when they investigated?

how many times have you helped or aided individuals in need of help in a law breaking situation?

Tefal · 1 Sep 2018 at 14:30

Psycho Sonny said:
genuine questions;

how many times have you called the police for help?

how many times has the police actually done anything of use when they investigated?

how many times have you helped or aided individuals in need of help in a law breaking situation?

I called the police after my bike was stolen (found out next morning) they came over within an hour or so gave me a crime number but with no cctv etc there was no real chance of it ever comming back unless they ditched it somewhere obvious, stripped and parted out or sent abroad.

then another time 2 asian men where leading 2 kids off (one asian one white) in the night as i passed with my girlfriend, one was holding the white lad by the elbow, heard him say "so how old are you then" so knew the kids didnt know them.

followed them phoned the police and confronted them at a cross roads by Victoria station in Manchester (was still a construction site then) within maybe 2-3 minutes 4 police cars including armed response came barreling down from every direction.

so yeah they're a bit crap for stuff like theft, but if theres something important they're generally there in force and fast.

StriderX · 1 Sep 2018 at 15:32

Tory Britain means order doesn't matter anymore, i dunno maybe stop voting for them?

Dunno what people expected when the policy was going to be the loss of social clubs, the loss of homeless shelters, the loss of social care staff, the loss of police, the loss of funding for all the above.

It's basically "**** the poor, **** the police and **** you" policy that is making this country great again, y'all right wingers got what you wanted, it's a fight for survival, the most wealthy will win.

Skunkworks · 1 Sep 2018 at 15:53

Get your ovaries under control.

StriderX · 1 Sep 2018 at 16:01

Skunkworks said:
Get your ovaries under control.

Welp, no surprise with that sort of sexist retort.

VincentHanna · 1 Sep 2018 at 17:37

It's pretty shocking when you read stories like this - Gangs of teenagers surrounding and attacking fire-fighters doing their job

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tees-45381557

Cleveland Fire brigade said it had seen a 60% increase in attacks since 2015 with crews on occasion having to withdraw from fighting fires for their own safety.

Staff have been attacked with various missiles and catapults firing bolts and ball bearings, a spokesman said.

Vandals have also damaged fire engines and attempted to steal equipment.

'Put lives at risk'
Crews have been surrounded by gangs of youths wearing balaclavas, individuals jumping on appliances and aggressive verbal abuse, the brigade said.

There were also reports of people deliberately twisting or standing on hoses to stop the flow of water.

VincentHanna · 1 Sep 2018 at 17:40

And it's not just the youth, motorists abusing police for dealing with an accident:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-45381945

Highways officers dealing with a crash on a motorway were abused by drivers as they tried to close the road, police have said.

Part of the M18 was closed after three vehicles crashed northbound near junction 1 at Bramley at 09:25 BST.

South Yorkshire Police said stranded motorists verbally abused officers and some drove the wrong way up the hard shoulder to get out of queuing traffic.

Dis86 · 1 Sep 2018 at 18:31

You only have to look at the responses from people in the strip search woman thread to understand why there's a problem.
The very fact she thought it was ok to interfere in an arrest is evidence in and of itself.

G-MAN2004 · 1 Sep 2018 at 18:46

Can't imagine what the country will be like in 20 years. London will be triple the dump it is now.

And to think we had the greatest empire of all time...

Energize · 1 Sep 2018 at 20:28

I think that I am probably more likely to be a victim of the "justice system" than the criminals in this day and age of "hate crime", 1984 reads more like a history book than a work of fantasy, how can one respect such an institution when what it represents is so abhorrent?

Tefal · 1 Sep 2018 at 21:16

G-MAN2004 said:
Can't imagine what the country will be like in 20 years. London will be triple the dump it is now.

And to think we had the greatest empire of all time...

I think theres going to be a snap back at some point, what form that will take though i dont know.

but i doubt it will be constructive or achieve the goal people want and instead will just leave us with a assimilate situation to the Americans where someone like trump is elected.

who achieves nothing in regards to the problem but damages a lot of unrelated stuff.

StriderX · 1 Sep 2018 at 21:17

Tefal said:
I think theres going to be a snap back at some point, what form that will take though i dont know.

but i doubt it will be constructive or achieve the goal people want and instead will just leave us with a assimilate situation to the Americans where someone like trump is elected.

who achieves nothing in regards to the problem but damages a lot of unrelated stuff.

Yeah it was 2016 for us too, lol at thinking Brexit wasn't the moment.

Soviet · 1 Sep 2018 at 21:29

My colleagues have spent the last year or so getting the run around by youths on mopeds robbing people on the street, and when we get behind them they're told to "terminate" as there's no motorcycle pursuit trained drivers, no NPAS (helicopter) or TPAC units nearby. They know we're totally crippled and will often goad officers into chasing them. All whilst members of the public watch on and shake their heads. It'd be laughable if it wasn't so utterly pathetic.

Em3bbs · 1 Sep 2018 at 21:30

G-MAN2004 said:
Can't imagine what the country will be like in 20 years. London will be triple the dump it is now.

And to think we had the greatest empire of all time...

London is a lot better than it was 20 years ago in many respects. I say that as someone who spent a lot of time there in the 90s before moving to Germany for some years before coming back. What are you basing the 'dump' opinion on, are you in London regularly?

CREATIVE!11 · 1 Sep 2018 at 21:42

Em3bbs said:
London is a lot better than it was 20 years ago in many respects. I say that as someone who spent a lot of time there in the 90s before moving to Germany for some years before coming back. What are you basing the 'dump' opinion on, are you in London regularly?

Yes, can confirm. It's a dump.

Em3bbs · 1 Sep 2018 at 21:58

CREATIVE!11 said:
Yes, can confirm. It's a dump.

Maybe you are going to the wrong places. There have always been areas of London which have been 'interesting' to say the least. Less so now though unless you're a tourist phone zombie waiting to have your mobile snatched out of your hand by some chav on a moped.

CREATIVE!11 · 1 Sep 2018 at 22:35

Em3bbs said:
Maybe you are going to the wrong places. There have always been areas of London which have been 'interesting' to say the least. Less so now though unless you're a tourist phone zombie waiting to have your mobile snatched out of your hand by some chav on a moped.

I mean sure, the wealthy areas are really nice and there are definitely interesting places in London. But I guess i'm not one for city life so any time I find myself in one i'm like meh....

GGizmo · 2 Sep 2018 at 13:38

Law enforcement are losing control.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...as-losing-control-of-streets-warns-ex-officer
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ritons-think-police-lost-control-streets.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-175479/Police-lost-control-streets.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6787333/half-of-brits-say-police-lost-control/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/drastic-cuts-could-see-police-13144001

I think people are approaching a point of going vigilante. We already see it with the pedophile hunters.

I was watching this guy on facebook who posts videos that kids have uploaded attacking people in an effort to name the violent thugs. He made a good point that if you live in a community were these scumbags live then if you report the crime to the police all that will happen is the police tell the people you've reported, and the chances of prison time is low. So now the offenders have been told that you have reported them and now you are MORE likely to come under attack especially if they know where you live. By publically humilitating the thugs, naming them, and showing where they live, it means ordinary members of the public will take an interest and 1. put the offenders on notice that they are being watched, and 2. that members of the public will look out for the victim.

This country went downhill when the police stopped walking the streets and started driving around in cars. The moment they did that they stopped being a crime prevention force and changed to a reactive force. They are now reacting to crime, but because there is no prevention crime that harms the every day public is shooting up and I bet most of it isn't reported to the police. Unless its a clear cut case, or of a serious nature then the police (as an institution) arent that bothered. They probably even dislike it because now thats another crime thats either not going to be solved, or if they do find the offender they fill out a load of paper work only for the courts to give the offender a slap on the wrist and he's back out of the street the same day.