Dell S2716DG - Dells first G-sync

tintin82 said:
Is there any difference between using an ICC profile or the colour setting in NCP? I have good results using NCP 0.65 gamma and a touch of digital vibrance however wondering if there is any reason if I should use an ICC profile and Windows monitor calibration tool instead?
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Simple answer... no.

If the visuals suit you, then job done :)

Basically, there's no plug and play set up for every monitor. What works well with one, will look pants on another (maybe). This is before considering the expression "personal preference". As I've already said a few times on this thread... I've seen monitors set up so that the user loves it, but to me it looks pants. But if the customer is happy, that's all that really matters.

Maybe a different matter if you were using the monitor for certain professional reasons. But then again, I'd not be choosing this monitor if I was a graphics artist.
 
mikeo said:
Simple answer... no.

If the visuals suit you, then job done :)

Basically, there's no plug and play set up for every monitor. What works well with one, will look pants on another (maybe). This is before considering the expression "personal preference". As I've already said a few times on this thread... I've seen monitors set up so that the user loves it, but to me it looks pants. But if the customer is happy, that's all that really matters.

Maybe a different matter if you were using the monitor for certain professional reasons. But then again, I'd not be choosing this monitor if I was a graphics artist.
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Thanks Mikeo. One more question you may be able to help with. I came across one game where the desktop colour settings did not cross over to, Europa Universalis 4. It looked very washed out, similar to the monitor out of the box with no settings adjusted. There is a in game gamma setting but found it did not work great.

So in this case would where the game is overriding the NCP setting, would it also override any icc profile?

I have yet to try this game in boarderless fullscreen which I believe may sort the issue.
 
tintin82 said:
So in this case would where the game is overriding the NCP setting, would it also override any icc profile?

I have yet to try this game in boarderless fullscreen which I believe may sort the issue.
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Check out Monitor Calibration Wizard. This runs in the background and can be set to keep enforcing the correct colour profile - or NCP settings if that's what you're using - even when a game tries to override it.
 
Thanks Zola. I know there are a few of these programs out there and folk have had limited success. Do you use this yourself? Works good for you? I shall test later.

If it was not for this gamma issue it would be a 10/10 monitor. Hopefully this software will enforce the gamma throughout.
 
Drollic said:
With HDR coming next and IPS panels improving, I'd probably say it's borderline. However, at £380-£420 6-12 months ago, it was a good option.
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What's a good option now that has the same specs as the Dell for £500 or less?

I'm looking for a 27" IPS or a good TN panel with G-Sync, 1440p and 144hz. I suppose G-Sync is optional since at 144hz it barely makes a difference. Doubt there's many available choices that don't look as neat and professional as the Dell, all the Asus monitors look quite ugly.

Or should I save this £500 and wait for something better to come out? But I'm guessing HDR monitors and stuff will be £800+?
 
skipper847 said:
You have to turn gsync off in NVidia control panel under display tab, setup G-Sync and in check the box. Go back into manage 3d settings and change monitor technology to ULMB Change refresh rate to 120hz. Then try again on monitor.

Are you sure its not ULMB pulse width that not greyed.

Edit. It wont work in game either change on desktop.
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Ah yeah it's available after i did the settings you mentioned.Both the ULMB and ULMB pulse thing were greyed out.
 
I am using same speakers as my old monitor but sound is a lot better threw them. Be for the music would drown out the voice in games but now I can hear the voice in games a lot better. Even though I am using speakers could it be something to do with display port?.
 
tintin82 said:
Thanks Zola. I know there are a few of these programs out there and folk have had limited success. Do you use this yourself? Works good for you? I shall test later.

If it was not for this gamma issue it would be a 10/10 monitor. Hopefully this software will enforce the gamma throughout.
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Yes, although I don't set it to start with Windows, I just fire it up for games that require it and then tick the persistent profile box. I've been doing this with KoTOR lately as the game not only removes any custom profile during play, but also doesn't put it back when you return to the desktop.

Completely agree, the out of the box gamma is terrible with this monitor and it's pretty poor that there's no hardware adjustment. I originally used the nVidia control panel to adjust gamma, this hugely improves the colours but it does crush blacks too much in my opinion, so have recently moved to one of TFT Central's ICC profiles. This is very much down to personal tastes though.

MCW will work with the control panel or ICC, you can just get it to save whatever current settings you're using as it's own profile to apply/enforce.
 
Great thank, will definitely give this a shot.

When you say that NCP crushes the blacks, what do you mean, just so I have something to look for.

Do you use the ICC profile from TFT central and then go through the Windows monitor calibration or just use the pure ICC?
 
^ Black crush is when dark colours close to black all appear to be totally black and detail is lost in the transition through darker areas. If you view an image with shadowed dark areas you should still be able to make out the detail within the shadow, rather than just a lump of black.

Personally I very slightly preferred the colours with the NCP gamma, but the ICC profile is very close whilst still maintaining black depth. I think this is because the NCP adjustment causes a bowing of the gamma curve, whereas an ICC profile adjusts along the line as required.

I'm now using just the main TFT central profile, although I've tried many others including some from this thread, that's the one that looks best to me and has the most accurate gamma according to the basic gamma checks you can find online. I've not used Windows calibration on top of that.

I'm not sure I've described it very well, and of course your mileage may vary. If colours are lacking you can still use digital vibrance but that can oversaturate the colours if set too high.
 
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zola25 said:
^ Black crush is when dark colours close to black all appear to be totally black and detail is lost in the transition through darker areas. If you view an image with shadowed dark areas you should still be able to make out the detail within the shadow, rather than just a lump of black.

Personally I very slightly preferred the colours with the NCP gamma, but the ICC profile is very close whilst still maintaining black depth. I think this is because the NCP adjustment causes a bowing of the gamma curve, whereas an ICC profile adjusts along the line as required.

I'm now using just the main TFT central profile, although I've tried many others including some from this thread, that's the one that looks best to me and has the most accurate gamma according to the basic gamma checks you can find online. I've not used Windows calibration on top of that.

I'm not sure I've described it very well, and of course your mileage may vary. If colours are lacking you can still use digital vibrance but that can oversaturate the colours if set too high.
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Thanks Zola, learning a lot from you!

Can I ask how many of the boxes you can see on the following test with your setup?

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php

And what OSD settings you are using?

I am not near my screen for quite a while so am unable to test (work away), but I am keen to try to sort this as I noticed playing GTA5 at night there were a few areas where I was thinking this is way to dark!
 
Just got mine from Amazon. It's version 1 manufactured November 2015!

Shouldn't it be version 3? Should I return it? I haven't even bothered opening it because I'm thinking a return is inevitable.
 
BIIG T said:
Just got mine from Amazon. It's version 1 manufactured November 2015!

Shouldn't it be version 3? Should I return it? I haven't even bothered opening it because I'm thinking a return is inevitable.
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I purchased mine from there and got a A03.

Did the sale stipulate an A03 version? If not then they sent you what you ordered, it doesn't matter about the version. If you wanted A03 you should have purchased from somewhere that would ensure you had the latest version such as direct through Dell .
 
It was on sale for £460 briefly today, missed out on it, it went quickly back up to £520! Bit annoyed that I havered at that price!
 
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tintin82 said:
Thanks Zola, learning a lot from you!

Can I ask how many of the boxes you can see on the following test with your setup?

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php

And what OSD settings you are using?

I am not near my screen for quite a while so am unable to test (work away), but I am keen to try to sort this as I noticed playing GTA5 at night there were a few areas where I was thinking this is way to dark!
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I can fairly clearly see all the black squares with the possible exception of the first one.

As for OSD settings, I'm using the following:
Brightness - 26
Contrast - 75
R - 97
G - 99
B - 96

I think those were also from TFT central.

That was the same for me when using NCP gamma, the colours were generally excellent but some areas looked far too dark.

Edit: For reference my version is an A02.
 
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