I'm really tempted by the Dell currently, so I'd love to hear your thoughts on the two.
Cheers!
Dell S2716DG - Dells first G-sync
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I'm really tempted by the Dell currently, so I'd love to hear your thoughts on the two.
Cheers!
DId you try using the ICC profile from TFTCentral? Once I added that it improved the colors and gamma by a huge ammount.
Anyone with a S2716DG...
Do you get like a strobing effect, almost like a flicker, happen during loading screens of games and 3DMark?
I don't notice this effect whilst playing games or web browsing or watching stream, generally it happens on some loading screens.
It's odd, its certainly not stopping me enjoying the screen whilst gaming. Just wanted to know if its only me.
Might be becasue i can't run it at maximum refresh rate of 144Hz as my 2 x 670's in SLI only give me an option of 120Hz.
Do you get like a strobing effect, almost like a flicker, happen during loading screens of games and 3DMark?
I don't notice this effect whilst playing games or web browsing or watching stream, generally it happens on some loading screens.
It's odd, its certainly not stopping me enjoying the screen whilst gaming. Just wanted to know if its only me.
Might be becasue i can't run it at maximum refresh rate of 144Hz as my 2 x 670's in SLI only give me an option of 120Hz.
Disable G-SYNC and see if you still get it - seems to be a problem with G-SYNC (happens on them all) when the framerate drops to 0 momentarily i.e. in the middle of the game loading something - for some reason it seems to happen more on some driver revisions and not on others.
Cheers mate, thought it probably was at the driver level rather than the hardware level.
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Got one of these in Overclockers Black Friday sale.
Had debated getting a similar specced IPS monitor such as the Acer XB270HU but was put off by the QC issues, backlight bleed and IPS glow.
I already have a couple of IPS and TN displays at home so I bought the Dell knowing full well the limitations of TN technology.
Received the screen today. The build quality seems decent enough. The bezel is nice and neat. The power LED is non intrusive. The OSD controls are slightly finicky, but no more so than any other monitor I have tried.
No issues with dead pixels, dirt etc, not least as far as I can see so far. I did a couple of dead pixel tests and it seems fine.
There's a tiny bit of what looks like backlight bleed at the bottom left hand corner. It seems different from the bleed I have seen on IPS panels: this is like a very narrow strip just above the bezel. I don't want to overstate the issue. If it was in an IPS display I'd be delighted at how small the bleed is.
The anti glare coating isn't the most attractive. I've seen worse but its far from ideal. Its most obvious on very white backgrounds. For some people this could be a deal breaker but for me I'll learn to live with it.
Out of the box I wasn't blown away. The colours certainly aren't as vibrant as a good IPS and you do get the usual washed out TN vibe. The gamma was a bit off and like all new monitors the brightness was set way too high. A quick adjustment of the gamma and lowering of the brightness down to about 25% certainly helps. I'm still in the process of calibrating it to my personal taste but TFT Central's ICC profile and OSD settings are a good starting point. After a bit of tweaking image quality certainly improves but there's probably a ceiling here. It's probably the best looking TN panel I have seen but it lacks the punch of some of my IPS panels, let alone my VA TV which sits beside it. However, I knew this before I bought it.
I haven't yet come across the inverted pixel issue. I've looked out for it but haven't noticed it. I'm sure I will spot it in due course if its a problem as I'm sensitive to these kind of things but so far so good.
I have experienced 1440p and 144hz before but never in the same panel. I've only played a few games this afternoon but from my initial impressions it's clear that 1440p+144hz+GSync is very, very nice indeed. The few games I played instantly felt smoother and more responsive. Motion was excellent. It's still early days but already I could feel Gsync at play: framerate drops from 110fps to 75fps were far less noticeable than on my old Gsync-less 120hz panel.
One issue which does irk me at this very early juncture is that I am getting banding in certain situations such as low(ish) quality movies and splash screens. It isn't as bad in game but the opening splash screens of games and pre-rendered cinematic movies show a bit of banding. I replicated the issue on my VA TV and the banding is close to being non existent on it (its there, but dramatically less so).
I'm a big fan of backlight strobing and it is turned on by default on my tv. Again I've only used it for a short while but it's heavenly. Its a terrible pity you cannot use both it and Gsync at the same time.
Had debated getting a similar specced IPS monitor such as the Acer XB270HU but was put off by the QC issues, backlight bleed and IPS glow.
I already have a couple of IPS and TN displays at home so I bought the Dell knowing full well the limitations of TN technology.
Received the screen today. The build quality seems decent enough. The bezel is nice and neat. The power LED is non intrusive. The OSD controls are slightly finicky, but no more so than any other monitor I have tried.
No issues with dead pixels, dirt etc, not least as far as I can see so far. I did a couple of dead pixel tests and it seems fine.
There's a tiny bit of what looks like backlight bleed at the bottom left hand corner. It seems different from the bleed I have seen on IPS panels: this is like a very narrow strip just above the bezel. I don't want to overstate the issue. If it was in an IPS display I'd be delighted at how small the bleed is.
The anti glare coating isn't the most attractive. I've seen worse but its far from ideal. Its most obvious on very white backgrounds. For some people this could be a deal breaker but for me I'll learn to live with it.
Out of the box I wasn't blown away. The colours certainly aren't as vibrant as a good IPS and you do get the usual washed out TN vibe. The gamma was a bit off and like all new monitors the brightness was set way too high. A quick adjustment of the gamma and lowering of the brightness down to about 25% certainly helps. I'm still in the process of calibrating it to my personal taste but TFT Central's ICC profile and OSD settings are a good starting point. After a bit of tweaking image quality certainly improves but there's probably a ceiling here. It's probably the best looking TN panel I have seen but it lacks the punch of some of my IPS panels, let alone my VA TV which sits beside it. However, I knew this before I bought it.
I haven't yet come across the inverted pixel issue. I've looked out for it but haven't noticed it. I'm sure I will spot it in due course if its a problem as I'm sensitive to these kind of things but so far so good.
I have experienced 1440p and 144hz before but never in the same panel. I've only played a few games this afternoon but from my initial impressions it's clear that 1440p+144hz+GSync is very, very nice indeed. The few games I played instantly felt smoother and more responsive. Motion was excellent. It's still early days but already I could feel Gsync at play: framerate drops from 110fps to 75fps were far less noticeable than on my old Gsync-less 120hz panel.
One issue which does irk me at this very early juncture is that I am getting banding in certain situations such as low(ish) quality movies and splash screens. It isn't as bad in game but the opening splash screens of games and pre-rendered cinematic movies show a bit of banding. I replicated the issue on my VA TV and the banding is close to being non existent on it (its there, but dramatically less so).
I'm a big fan of backlight strobing and it is turned on by default on my tv. Again I've only used it for a short while but it's heavenly. Its a terrible pity you cannot use both it and Gsync at the same time.
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Assuming its like the Asus you will have to use software to bring the gamma down a notch or 2 if you want the colours to have "punch" otherwise they will just look bleached - not sure if the ICC profile does it as effectively as through the GPU driver control panel. The difference is quite dramatic.
There is some banding unfortunately in some situations but I don't really notice it most of the time and I can live with it as a compromise for the performance.
There is some banding unfortunately in some situations but I don't really notice it most of the time and I can live with it as a compromise for the performance.
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Well I've had a PG279Q to play with for most of the day and the first thing I'll say is in comparison I feel this Dell is a bit of a bargain.
The Asus does have a better picture - it's obvious and apparent the second you look at it. The colours appear far more vibrant and it seems to be able to achieve more detail somehow because of it. It is also able to display much deeper blacks. I also prefer the design of both the monitor itself and the OSD, it feels like more effort has gone into the PG279Q. I couldn't notice any difference in either input lag or reponse times between this and the Dell, and played a fair bit of Street Fighter and Assetto Corsa in order to test it.
However...it does suffer from the dreaded IPS glow and uniformity issues. Initially the glow didn't bother me too much when browsing and working, but I began to notice it more and more when gaming. In terms of uniformity there is a slight yellow tint in the upper-left corner of the screen and also 'shadows' that appear on light backgrounds in all four corners.
So really what we have here are two excellent monitors but that have completely different issues. The Dell has inferior colours (even with the TFT Central ICC profile and settings etc), pixel inversion (in varying amounts it seems) and poor viewing angles that do make a difference (I say this as I never noticed them on my old 24" monitor - perhaps it's down to the size of the screen?). The Asus has pretty bad glow that can ruin dark scenes and odd colouration of lighter scenes.
Which is better really comes down to personal preference. I need to send one back but am still trying to decide. I think, on balance, the PG279Q is the better monitor overall. If they were the same price that's the one I'd keep. But seeing as it's ~£250 more than the Dell I am finding it hard to justify given its shortcomings.
The Asus does have a better picture - it's obvious and apparent the second you look at it. The colours appear far more vibrant and it seems to be able to achieve more detail somehow because of it. It is also able to display much deeper blacks. I also prefer the design of both the monitor itself and the OSD, it feels like more effort has gone into the PG279Q. I couldn't notice any difference in either input lag or reponse times between this and the Dell, and played a fair bit of Street Fighter and Assetto Corsa in order to test it.
However...it does suffer from the dreaded IPS glow and uniformity issues. Initially the glow didn't bother me too much when browsing and working, but I began to notice it more and more when gaming. In terms of uniformity there is a slight yellow tint in the upper-left corner of the screen and also 'shadows' that appear on light backgrounds in all four corners.
So really what we have here are two excellent monitors but that have completely different issues. The Dell has inferior colours (even with the TFT Central ICC profile and settings etc), pixel inversion (in varying amounts it seems) and poor viewing angles that do make a difference (I say this as I never noticed them on my old 24" monitor - perhaps it's down to the size of the screen?). The Asus has pretty bad glow that can ruin dark scenes and odd colouration of lighter scenes.
Which is better really comes down to personal preference. I need to send one back but am still trying to decide. I think, on balance, the PG279Q is the better monitor overall. If they were the same price that's the one I'd keep. But seeing as it's ~£250 more than the Dell I am finding it hard to justify given its shortcomings.
Yes, but the Dell has these issues because it's TN... no way was it never going to suffer with inferior colours and viewing angles vs IPS, it's just inherent to the tech so nothing could be done about that. The PG279Q is just a rubbish panel, I've never seen glow/bleed (whatever this crazy orange stuff is, not like any IPS glow I've ever seen) to this extent before, and on so many monitors. Clearly, were it not for this one serious issue, the PG279Q would be the clear winner, but these faults and its price tag are shameful for a so-called 'premium' monitor. Really a shame AUO screwed this up... hardly Asus' fault really. There are suggestions the upcoming Acer XB271HU is an improvement due to the back light being attached differently, but we shall see.
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Yeah, but the fault can't be entirely attributed to AUO. Asus and Acer are their own companies and need to take responsibility for their own QC. Hopefully the XB271 is better but from my understanding the panel is identical but the way it's mounted has been changed.
In any case I've got a new appreciation for the Dell. The Swift is back in its box and the S2716DG is back on the desk!
In any case I've got a new appreciation for the Dell. The Swift is back in its box and the S2716DG is back on the desk!
Except there is still contrast shift even when viewing head on i.e.
From pcm25's review on the asus swift.
From pcm25's review on the asus swift.
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Viewing angles from left and right are very good on this, for a TN panel.
There is a small bit of gamma shift when looking head on, both to the top and bottom, but honestly its barely perceptible in gaming. In desktop use its slightly more noticeable but for me its a non issue, especially compared to IPS glow.
Not on my Dell there isn't
Then you don't have TN or you simply don't see it. EVERY TN panel will have this, especially at 27". Bothers some people, others not at all, but it will be there.
That's spot on. Displaying a large block of individual colour (as per my Zoidberg example - I'm not pmc25 by the way Nexus18) will highlight this very nicely, as will some of the large blocks of colour on Lagom. Whether or not a user notices this weakening saturation during their normal computing tasks or gaming doesn't change the fact that it is happening. And it does reduce the variety of distinct but subtly different shades that the monitor will display whether in a game, movie or on the desktop.
You're probably right, I jsut haven't picked up on it let alone notice it.....so can't be that bad
