Description of Afterlife?

[jmc007]

Maybe this is the afterlife.

<dramatic music>

Funnily enough I was thinking this whilst listening to the first part of the audio the OP referenced.

i.e. We're in the third life-the intermediate realm now. I did apparently die and was brought back to life in 1996. Maybe I did die.

*Edit. Thought to add a bit more info of my NDE, also would love to hear more of the circumstances around yours Castiel, I guess you can call being in a coma a NDE.

Here is a short version for now of mine. It was Christmas eve 1996, I was attacked and knocked unconscious very close to midnight. I was left semi naked outside and was not found until around 6-7AM Christmas morning. The temperature that night was -6. I was taken into hospital by the emergency services, I came around for the first time around that time then slipped into unconsciousness again. When I came into hospital my temperature was around 30-31 and I went into cardiac arrest and my heart stopped.

 

[synaptik]

You see this is what I don't understand. There is a section called Speakers Corner designed specifically for serious discussions. Threads are watched closely by the Dons and protected by the strict rules in there, meaning posts generally have ot be sensible... yet people seem to make the same mistake time and time again of posting serious threads in GD and then acting surprised when they turn into a bloodbath.

If you want a thread to be taken seriously then post it in Speakers Corner, that's what it's there for!

Ditto. In fact some of the best evidence for survival is in Ethan's post called the Afterlife Chronicals (or something to that effect): thread titled informative youtube videos, Speakers Corner. Ethan himself argues it better to ignore the theatrical bent to the episode and that there is some freaky weird "goings on to it all" which hasn'tbeen disproved to this date.

 

[Tibbz2]

I personally believe that the moment you die you are reborn into another body. With no memory or recollection of your life previous.

This is sort of all I can think of happening. Basically it's not you though.

I really find it puzzling what will happen to our consciousness after death. In a way I can't wait to find out

 

[dpbadger]

Is it like Elland Road?

 

[ants83]

Consciousness is unique to you, your body and your genetic makeup, the neurons in your brain and everything else, it all makes you who you are. That consciousness will not transfer to something or someone else when you die. Those neurons rot away and that’s it.
The atoms that make us up fade into the Universe just as they emerged and somewhere else on the planet new life is born with new neurons and new genetics, a new person, not the remnants of someone else.

Logically, that’s the only way it can be and you don’t need to be agnostic, atheist or religious to see that.

spot on that, i think most religious people are terrified of death and need to be told there is something more to live, when in reality we are here solely to reproduce and as humans we have done that!
the end is, well then end.

 

[ants83]

Is it like Elland Road?

thats death yes. expensive northern death.

 

[bhavv]

spot on that, i think most religious people are terrified of death and need to be told there is something more to live, when in reality we are here solely to reproduce and as humans we have done that!
the end is, well then end.

The fear of death also extends to loved ones, most people seem incapable of accepting themselves and their loved ones dying, and feel the need to believe that they will be reunited after death in heaven.

The whole basis on the idea of an afterlife stems from religion, just like the Earth being the centre of the universe, made in 7 days, light being made before the sun etc. Unfortunately due to how overprotected and popular organized religion still is in most societies, its ridiculous ideologies and myths still live on and keep on getting passed onto every generation of impressionable kids.

This song very clearly explains the issue of the afterlife lie:

 

[chipachap]

wtf why do people believe in this horse****

False security

 

[jmc007]

spot on that, i think most religious people are terrified of death and need to be told there is something more to live, when in reality we are here solely to reproduce and as humans we have done that!
the end is, well then end.

The fear of death also extends to loved ones, most people seem incapable of accepting themselves and their loved ones dying, and feel the need to believe that they will be reunited after death in heaven.

The whole basis on the idea of an afterlife stems from religion, just like the Earth being the centre of the universe, made in 7 days, light being made before the sun etc. Unfortunately due to how overprotected and popular organized religion still is in most societies, its ridiculous ideologies and myths still live on and keep on getting passed onto every generation of impressionable kids.

This song very clearly explains the issue of the afterlife lie:

Well I for one kind of wished death was the end in one way, (I.e. total eternal nothingness.) it would be a whole lot easier to deal with.
Do what you want as long as you don't get caught, no repercussions. Piece of cake. I never really thought of an afterlife before I became born again in 1997. As you guys are all saying, I believed faith in a God was a crutch for the weak, (Maybe it is.) and a belief in heaven was to ease the pain of loved ones passing away, or ones own fear of death.
Makes me laugh as I was as adamant as you lot.

 

[RDM]

Do what you want as long as you don't get caught, no repercussions. Piece of cake.

Alternatively because life is the only one you have then you don't do things that could make it worse for others and certainly don't do things that make it worse for you.

You certainly don't need God to be a good person and history has shown us that even believing in God you can still be a bad person. I would say that religion is shaped by morality and not the other way around.

 

[jmc007]

Alternatively because life is the only one you have then you don't do things that could make it worse for others and certainly don't do things that make it worse for you.

You certainly don't need God to be a good person and history has shown us that even believing in God you can still be a bad person. I would say that religion is shaped by morality and not the other way around.

Fair does and you are probably more correct, thought that wasn't the point I was trying to reinforce. I would say now though that morality comes from God, not Religion and certainly not man.

 

[Skeptic]

Well I for one kind of wished death was the end in one way, (I.e. total eternal nothingness.) it would be a whole lot easier to deal with.
Do what you want as long as you don't get caught, no repercussions. Piece of cake. I never really thought of an afterlife before I became born again in 1997. As you guys are all saying, I believed faith in a God was a crutch for the weak, (Maybe it is.) and a belief in heaven was to ease the pain of loved ones passing away, or ones own fear of death.
Makes me laugh as I was as adamant as you lot.

What happened in 1997?

 

[bhavv]

Do what you want as long as you don't get caught, no repercussions. Piece of cake.

This is one of the most ridiculous Christian fundamentalist / extremist opinions on this topic of all time.

Simply realizing that there is no afterlife doesnt automatically turn people into murderous rampaging criminals.

Fear of punishment in the afterlife has never been the be all end all solution to preventing crime and creating perfect morality in humans.

I suppose that stupid people would need to have a fear of God / Afterlife in order to act lawfully, but most rational and logical people dont.

 

[RDM]

Fair does and you are probably more correct, thought that wasn't the point I was trying to reinforce. I would say now though that morality comes from God, not Religion and certainly not man.

I would disagree. The basic morality of not lying, stealing, killing is pretty much what is required for a community of any real size. It was also a morality that existed prior to the formation of the Christian religion and prior to the formation of the Judaic religion. Obviously as those religions formed this basic moral code formed part of them.

 

[bhavv]

FI would say now though that morality comes from God, not Religion and certainly not man.

So according to you everyone that doesnt believe in God is Immoral?

So why are the vast majority of prisoners religious while an insignificant proportion are Atheist? (In fact there is a significantly smaller proportion of Aheists in prisons in comparison the proportion of atheists in most countries).

Funny that people who dont believe in God are generally far more capable of moral behavior and abiding to the law, while religious people are not.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

BLACK.

/eot

 

[jmc007]

What happened in 1997?

I was walking home from work in the center of Manchester at a restaurant and two afternoons in a row I bumped into this girl in a wheel chair who seemed to be struggling. The first time I saw her I thought to ask if she needed a hand, though decided not to as she may be proud and see me as looking down on her.
The very next day I saw her again, struggling along and thought, ah, I might as well ask her. She said yes with a big smile, and thank you. We exchanged names as we went along and it turned out Candice was going to a church. Exactly as we arrived at the church door a bell rang and Candice laughed "Justin time", My name is Julian though all the way to the church she had been calling me Justin. I was asked if I wanted to come in, I felt kind of obliged to and I had nothing to do for the rest of the day, also I was not intimidated by church at all so walked right in.
Turns out the big building was empty and we walked into a side room where there was a vicar and one other man.
They gave me a Bible to follow from and held a little service, I followed along and listened as they read, not taking it in I only remember having a cocky feeling that I could easily follow where they were reading from. Then all of a sudden it hit me, a solid realisation that there was a God and how much I had let my family down in the past. I broke down.
That was it really, I never went back to the church. I have since joined different churches and learnt more of the Bible and Jesus and as RDM says believeing in God doesn't make you good. Though I do now believe and have found with certainty that if you make steps towards him, he is there and makes it known.

This is one of the most ridiculous Christian fundamentalist / extremist opinions on this topic of all time.

Simply realizing that there is no afterlife doesnt automatically turn people into murderous rampaging criminals.

Fear of punishment in the afterlife has never been the be all end all solution to preventing crime and creating perfect morality in humans.

I suppose that stupid people would need to have a fear of God / Afterlife in order to act lawfully, but most rational and logical people dont.

Still what I said is the case if there is no God, then neither is there in accounting for our actions in some way.

I would disagree. The basic morality of not lying, stealing, killing is pretty much what is required for a community of any real size. It was also a morality that existed prior to the formation of the Christian religion and prior to the formation of the Judaic religion. Obviously as those religions formed this basic moral code formed part of them.

I haven't really got the time nor inclination to get into this kind of debate, though I only now read this and seems pretty good to me.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110415062856AAMqW0W

 

[bhavv]

Ok, so if there is a God, then why was that girl in a wheelchair?

then neither is there in accounting for our actions in some way.

Yes there is, its called a conscience.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Ok, so if there is a God, then why was that girl in a wheelchair?

You having religion rants again ! !

 

[bhavv]

You having religion rants again ! !

Its kind of hard not to following the posts by JMC.