Diesels Vs Petrol DEBATE

ugh · 17 Apr 2003 at 15:51

Originally posted by ZuG
because diesels are better

Incorrect.

Im starting to think diesels have there uses...

...on farms

Seriously though, diesels might be able to get the good MPG's in the big Mercs etc, but seriously, if u own one of them cars, who cars about MPG?!

Sure, if its a company car, the company get diesel because its cheaper tax, and the driver is happy because he is gettin his MPG.

It still doesnt make me like diesels any more than i do, but i suppose they have there uses.

ZuG · 17 Apr 2003 at 15:51

whats sound gotta do with it, they both sound the same inside, the diesel is going to last longer, and its going to retain its value more... so the diesel.

SDK^ · 17 Apr 2003 at 15:51

Originally posted by [TW]Fox
As I've said, 60% of Mercedes S Class's sold here are 320CDi's. The exterior noise clearly cannot be that much of a problem.

It's a cost thing because they are cheap skates

Given the choice of petrol or diesel they / anyone with any sense would chose Petrol

[TW]Fox · 17 Apr 2003 at 15:52

Originally posted by Sundance Kid
Forget money and costs for a moment
Given the choice of a Diesel Mercedes S Class or Petrol equivalent which would you choose !!!

The ‘bag of nails’ sounding diesel or the grunty sounding petrol

Its debatable whether you can hear either inside an S Class becuase its been specifically designed to be luxurious, thus there is a huge amount of soundproofing. But obviously, if there was no tax considerations, no cost considerations, etc etc, it'd obviously be an S600.

But then we don't live in a world like that, we live in the real world, where an S600 would cost buckets to keep on the road and buckets in tax.

SDK^ · 17 Apr 2003 at 15:56

Originally posted by [TW]Fox
Its debatable whether you can hear either inside an S Class becuase its been specifically designed to be luxurious, thus there is a huge amount of soundproofing. But obviously, if there was no tax considerations, no cost considerations, etc etc, it'd obviously be an S600.

But then we don't live in a world like that, we live in the real world, where an S600 would cost buckets to keep on the road and buckets in tax.

Exactly !!!

So those people saving money buy a Diesel and the rest of us that aren’t cheap skates buy petrol.

As for the image thing.....

I wouldn't buy a Skoda, yes they have improved greatly since VW took them over but their reputation still sticks…..same with diesel cars

Gilly · 17 Apr 2003 at 15:56

Originally posted by ZuG
because people are going by what diesels used to be. People still have it in their minds that diesels are dirty huge engines which are really slow and stink. This is simply not true with modern engines and people are beginning to realise this! Each year the percentage of cars sold is going higher for diesels because of the improved engines, improved speeds and the main 2 facts.

Absolutely agree. People that are having a go at the diesel engine are for the most part talking about the older diesel engines, which WERE smelly, and they WERE noisy, but they aren't any more.

[TW]Fox · 17 Apr 2003 at 15:57

Originally posted by Sundance Kid
It's a cost thing because they are cheap skates

Its nothing to do with being a 'cheap skate', its to do with not wanting to throw half your salary at the government :rolleyes:

You'll probably find they pay more in tax a year on either of the cars than you pay in total fuel for a year for your Puma, so I doubt either are a 'cheapskates' option.

Lets look at the E Class.

If you had an E270CDi Avantgarde, you'd have to give the tax man £248 a month. If you went for an E500, it'd cost you almost £500 a month. The diesel is hardly for 'cheap skates'. Just becuase people want to save money doesnt mean they are 'cheap skates'. A 'cheap skate' is a person who buys a Skoda Favorit for 50 quid out of the paper and runs it as cheaply as possible, not a company director who chooses an E270CDi over an E500.

You bought a Puma instead of a new Porsche 911. Would it be fair for me to call you a cheap skate for that? Absolutely not. It's the same in the diesel v petrol situation.

SDK^ · 17 Apr 2003 at 15:59

At the end of the day give people the choice and they will choose the petrol version

As a compromise setup diesel is good but whom like compromises

Gilly · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:01

Originally posted by Sundance Kid
At the end of the day give people the choice and they will choose the petrol version

Not necessarily, depends entirely on the circumstances.

[TW]Fox · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:03

Originally posted by Sundance Kid
At the end of the day give people the choice and they will choose the petrol version

But you will never be able to give people the choice you are suggesting so thats not relevent. We *are* in the real world, high fuel tax does exist, high company car tax also exists, so its rather pointless saying 'if they cost the same, would you...'

Thats like saying 'If money was no object, would you have a Ferrari 360 or a Ford Racing Puma?' and then using the answer to backup the claim that Puma's are bad and Ferraris are great, and anyone driving a Puma is a cheapskate. This is frankly nonsensical.

Money is a *huge* factor when buying a car. Infact, it'd say it's the main factor, otherwise everyone here would have SL55 AMG's, Porsche 911's, Ferrari 360's, BMW M5's etc. Pretending it isn't is wrong.

SDK^ · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:03

Originally posted by [TW]Fox
You bought a Puma instead of a new Porsche 911. Would it be fair for me to call you a cheap skate for that? Absolutely not. It's the same in the diesel v petrol situation.

I can't afford a 911, that's not my point Fox

My point is - if the choice was

Puma Diesel
Puma Petrol

BMW 330CI
BMW 330D

Petrol version please , every person with sense would be the same

Darkened · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:06

Before i got the audi i went to buy a passat. Could have bought the 1.8T cash but wanted the 130 TDi one as it was a much better drive. Love that car and engine. May still get one as running costs are killing me at the moment.

Diesels we like yes.

[TW]Fox · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:07

Originally posted by Sundance Kid
I can't afford a 911, that's not my point Fox

My point is - if the choice was

Puma Diesel
Puma Petrol

BMW 330CI
BMW 330D

Petrol version please , every person with sense would be the same

Except for the huge financial considerations which are the reason so many choose diesel. You kinda missed my point about the Puma and the Porsche. You are trying to use 'if money wasnt a problem' to proove that diesel is for cheapskates, yet I cant use 'if money wasnt a problem' to proove Puma's are for cheapskates and thus show the hole in your arguement?

SDK^ · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:10

OK Fox I rest my case (I wanna go home

)

IMO if I had the choice of the same car with a diesel or petrol version I would go for the petrol model

U think different and so be it

[TW]Fox · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:12

Originally posted by Sundance Kid
OK Fox I rest my case (I wanna go home )

IMO if I had the choice of the same car with a diesel or petrol version I would go for the petrol model

U think different and so be it

Even if it meant an extra £3000 a year company car tax?

Gilly · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:12

Originally posted by Sundance Kid
Petrol version please , every person with sense would be the same

What presumptuous rubbish.

Just because that's the version you'd prefer doesn't mean it's the version everyone would prefer.

gsf600y · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:16

I bought a VW Polo 1.9 SDI.

It WAS noiser than a petrol model, inside and out.
It WAS slower than the petrol equivalent.

But so what????
But I bought it to do mileage, and to do them as cheap as possible.
And it was a lot cheaper. I done all the sums, taking everything into account, and over a lot of miles the savings were massive.

I dont care what it sounds like when I pull into the McDonalds Drive Thru.
I dont care if it doesnt accelerate like a rocket.

If I was bothered by image or performance, then maybe Id buy a petrol.

If I want performance or a nice engine sound I'll ride my bike thanks

wassap · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:20

It's cheaper for Company car users to have a diesel car in the UK, why do you think BMW, Mercedes and Lexus developed Exec Diesels !!!

they dont specifically develop these engines for the uk market tho do they?

Lests face we in the uk still have one of the biggest increases in diesel new car sales thats despite having some of the most expensive diesel fuel in europe, the consumer aint that stupid.

If money were no object then i would buy a fast petrol, but since that isnt the case and we are discussing the merits of both fuel types i would say that is irellevant

merlin · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:28

Originally posted by [TW]Fox
.....director who chooses an E270CDi over an E500.

You post this but then just a few posts ago you were telling us all that the best in the E series was a diesel.... :rolleyes:

Anyway, i'll stick to the fact the best variants are petrol, but yes there are going to be exceptions.

Same as SDK - i'm off home now, in my 20 mpg petrol engined car.

[TW]Fox · 17 Apr 2003 at 16:31

Originally posted by merlin
You post this but then just a few posts ago you were telling us all that the best in the E series was a diesel....

You said the best/high spec models were Petrol. I countered this by saying the highest specification models are also available in diesel. I didnt say which was best. From a performance point of view, its clear the E500 is best. It has a 5.0 V8, of course its going to be faster. But from a financial point of view - ie the real world, its a different story.

So don't :rolleyes:

me until you are entirely sure what I wrote.

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