Diesels Vs Petrol *DEBATE*

[Type_R]

I have to say it, although I drive a petrol car, but if I was to change I would be getting myself a TDI straight from VW - which ownz all diesels apart from maybe the 330d.

The fact is that when it comes to the relationship between economy and performance in a new car of today, u can't lose with a diesel. I have driven a Bora TDI 150, it wheelspins in 4th gear and does 50 mpg.

Now thats what I call winning allround.

 

[-Mike-]

Originally posted by Dogbreath

As for emmisions, diesels were well known to have very high particulate emmsions, a type of polution that's very effective in causing lung cancer. Mmmm..nice. This was a basic reason for the huge tax hike the diesel took a few years back. Modern cars have particulate traps and oxidising cats which means that, combined with low sulphur fuels, they are now a lot better.

Yes they did have high particulate emissions but look at the new ones as you said. Go test drive the golf GT TDi which is the one you were on about

 

[merlin]

So -

so far we have established that in general -

Petrol for best performance, poor economy, lesser engine life

Diesel for good performance, best economy, longer engine life.

Me = performance man and will always be

Because im more interested in performance my personal opinion is that diesel cars are not as enjoyable as petrol cars. However, diesel cars are getting better and better, one day the whole thing will turn 180 when some 1 like Porsche bang a diesel out and all hell will break loose.

 

[Fevvahz]

Sorry but this debate is a little silly. Petrol and diesel are chosen by people who want different things for their cars

Smoke: A diesel will only smoke when it is being starved of the oxygen it needs to combust the mixture efficiently - usually a sign of a dirty air filter.

Economy: I get 50mpg back from mine all the time despite indulging in the following point

Performance: In a similar sized car but I'm sorry theres a close call. Yes the engine might be of bigger cubic capacity, but in my example, similar sized cars are usually fair game. I mean come on, how embarrassed must the drivers of the 'New' Mini's, Saxo VTR's be when, not only do they get out accelerated by a Rover, but a Diesel Rover at that!

I drive a diesel and its 6 years old. Its queter than the neighbours Seat STDi (oh FFS who names a car STD ) and Gold TDi's, is rather quick, is insurance group 7 and returns great fuel econemy.

If I want a fast car - which I do, I'll trop a T16 Turbo lump (which my L series derv engine was developed from, well the block at least).

Sorry bu someone just wanted to see a good arguement methinks.

 

[-Mike-]

Very very true fevvahz, my TD goes just fine cheaper to insure than your average first car and can return excellent mpg.

 

[Maz]

Originally posted by [TW]Fox


Lets take Ford. Their highest spec is Ghia. Aha, here is a GHIA TDCi

BMW? Their highest spec is Sport I think (Ignoring the M-Sport models). Oh look, there's the 530d Sport.

Audi? Quattro Sport is probably their highest trim level. Whats this? Ah yes, an A6 2.5TDi Quattro Sport.

Mercedes? Well, it's either Avantgarde or AMG. What have we here? Ah yes, a C30 CDI AMG, and a C270 CDI Elegance/Avantgarde. Fancy something bigger? Here we go - E320CDi Avantgarde.

No

Fords highest trim level would be the RS/ST

BMWs highest trim level is the M Series and why would you want to ignore that series? because they don't do a diesel?

Audis is the RS

Mercedes is AMG

None of the above have Diesel engines in they're top level trim range

 

[Dogbreath]

Originally posted by Fevvahz
I drive a diesel and its 6 years old....is rather quick

Either you have a different definition of 'quick' than I do, or Rover made a diesel car that I don't know much about. Care to enlighten me?

 

[Fevvahz]

...well, I'm 20, and when I mean quick, I'm not talking turbocharged-jap-two-seater quick you understand, just that around 9.5 to 60 is 'quick' as apposed to fast, which might be say 7s to 60, and OMG-where-do-I-hold on being about 5s to 60.

It has enough torque to play with most on A-Roads and Motorways, and the only other diesel (with a similar sized engine, I'm talking 1.9/2.0/2.2l here not big 3.0l) which I've been humbled by so far was the 150bhp Golf GT TDi (the 130bhp is a fat bloater).

Its also quick enough to give lot of the 'luke-warm-hatch-cos-hot-hatch-insurance-is-ridiculous' possy a run for its money, and although it isnt hard its quicker than a Golf GTi

...and its a diesel

 

[-Mike-]

Which TD do you have mate?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Originally posted by Maz
Fords highest trim level would be the RS/ST

I'm talking standard trim here - besides, Ford only have one RS car - the Focus!

BMWs highest trim level is the M Series and why would you want to ignore that series? because they don't do a diesel?

Becuase its a specialist series - infact the M cars are so 'special' they have seperate entries in price guides, seperate entries in the guides in the back of magazines, etc etc. Top gear have a section for '5 series' and then M5 in a seperate section.

Mercedes is AMG

None of the above have Diesel engines in they're top level trim range

Whats a C30 CDI AMG then?

 

[merlin]

9.5 is slow.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Originally posted by merlin
So -

so far we have established that in general -

Petrol for best performance, poor economy, lesser engine life

Diesel for good performance, best economy, longer engine life.

Me = performance man and will always be

I cannot say there is anything I disagree with there. You've summed that up perfectly.

 

[Fevvahz]

Originally posted by merlin
9.5 is slow.

Well what do you expect from 96bhp / tonne?

How does 6.5 sound, and 200bhp / tonne?

Watcha drive merlin ?

 

[izoneiz]

Originally posted by [TW]Fox
I'm talking standard trim here - besides, Ford only have one RS car - the Focus!



Becuase its a specialist series - infact the M cars are so 'special' they have seperate entries in price guides, seperate entries in the guides in the back of magazines, etc etc. Top gear have a section for '5 series' and then M5 in a seperate section.



Whats a C30 CDI AMG then?

isnt it a C32 cdi AMG mate? (u could be right)

IZoneIZ

 

[-Mike-]

No doubt it will be the fastest production road car now you've asked

 

[Maz]

Originally posted by [TW]Fox
I'm talking standard trim here - besides, Ford only have one RS car - the Focus!



Becuase its a specialist series - infact the M cars are so 'special' they have seperate entries in price guides, seperate entries in the guides in the back of magazines, etc etc. Top gear have a section for '5 series' and then M5 in a seperate section.



Whats a C30 CDI AMG then?

So what about the ST? do they make an ST Diesel?

Why isn't there and M3/5 Diesel?

The only C class AMG is the C32 which is a 3.2 which is 3.2 V6 with 354 bhp.

a C30? There is no C30 CDI AMG.

The C Class Diesels are a 270 CDI and a 220 CDI.

I reckon someone stuck AMG badges in they're oil burner.

 

[Orifice]

Originally posted by Maz
There is no C30 CDI AMG.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?domai...xpress.co.uk/driven/driven_story.php?id=31390

 

[izoneiz]

Originally posted by Maz
So what about the ST? do they make an ST Diesel?

Why isn't there and M3/5 Diesel?

The only C class AMG is the C32 which is a 3.2 which is 3.2 V6 with 354 bhp.

a C30? There is no C30 CDI AMG.

The C Class Diesels are a 270 CDI and a 220 CDI.

I reckon someone stuck AMG badges in they're oil burner.

i have already posted about this, but i SWEAR on my grave that i have seen a new eclass with E55 cdi amg written on it.

i was heavily bemused, and after we all browsed for it, we found no such thing...

IZoneIZ

 

[Simon]

Originally posted by Fevvahz
Well what do you expect from 96bhp / tonne?

How does 6.5 sound, and 200bhp / tonne?

Watcha drive merlin ?

He drives a Scooby.

Fev , drop that t16 lump in your derv and you can own him

Si

 

[merlin]

Originally posted by Fevvahz
Well what do you expect from 96bhp / tonne?

How does 6.5 sound, and 200bhp / tonne?

Watcha drive merlin ?

Scoob m8.