Discussion On The ATI Radeon 5*** Series Before They Have Been Released Thread

[booyaka]

5850 for me all the way - no need for a 5870 @ the ressy i game at.

 

[magicroundabout]

 

[D13]

Talking of running hot, I wonder how noisy these will be. I'd love to get my hands on one, but not if its going to sound like a hoover.

from my experience, ati stock coolers tend to be loud as hell

If the 5850's are as good as that and run under £200 it will be rather nice methinks

I would be stunned if they came in under 200

have you seen the performance benches so far compared to a 295?

it blows it away.

remember it's a dual gpu (295) v single (5870) so the results are very impressive

well according ot the possibly loaded ati benches it doesnt blow the 295 away, but to be fair th 295 is a beastly card and if it can just match it then thta alone is impressive

 

[Kenai]

@magicroundabout - That's a 285 and for the most part shows it to be about 20-40% faster, bar a few exceptional games - but that doesn't show resolutions or frames so those 200% performance scores could well be a GTX285 getting 4FPS and a 5870 getting 8FPS...
It's also a very visually misleading graph in the way it starts at 80%, so it makes a 20% performance increase look double the speed at a glance. If those lines were shown from 0% it would look a lot less impressive.

 

[magnuswinwick]

Ok, hands up, who here is wetting themselves with excitement?

Personally my 280 does everything I need, I'll be waiting for the release of MW2 then evaluate whether to swap to ATi or just get another 280 for SLI, sure they will be cheap by then.

You've got a 280 and you're excited about the 58**?

I get excited about new shiny gear as much as the next guy, but I struggle to understand anyone who upgrades cards so frequently?!

I'm running an HD2600, do you think I'll notice a difference?

 

[Jakus]

I wonder how hot the 5850 will run?

With the exit vent being so small I am thinking that they'll be quite cool running compared to the 4800s which have high core temps don't they?

I would think the opposite !, It needs way more hot air exhaust than that, the card must have internal vents also....poor

Think the Cards will be silent at idle (due to power management) but more noisy than they could have been under load.
The all around covers/heatsinks are not going to help that much !

 

[magicroundabout]

@magicroundabout - That's a 285 and for the most part shows it to be about 20-40% faster, bar a few exceptional games - but that doesn't show resolutions or frames so those 200% performance scores could well be a GTX285 getting 4FPS and a 5870 getting 8FPS...
It's also a very visually misleading graph in the way it starts at 80%, so it makes a 20% performance increase look double the speed at a glance. If those lines were shown from 0% it would look a lot less impressive.

which is a single gpu which is a fair comparison. when the x2 comes out we can compare againt the 295 as like for like.

no there are no fps or res but i wasn't at the presentation.

to me they are quite impressive results.

at the closest score there (DMC4) if the 285 is htting 60fps (which it will be easily) the 5870 is hitting almost 20% more = 72fps. this gap is obviously wider the higher the fps are.

 

[Mmm_Badger_Soup]

Although this thread has kept me mildly entertained for a couple of hours I really am now concerned about the mental health of some of the more regular contributors.

SEEK HELP!!!

 

[Kenai]

which is a single gpu which is a fair comparison. when the x2 comes out we can compare againt the 295 as like for like.

no there are no fps or res but i wasn't at the presentation.

to me they are quite impressive results.

at the closest score there (DMC4) if the 285 is htting 60fps (which it will be easily) the 5870 is hitting almost 20% more = 72fps. this gap is obviously wider the higher the fps are.

You said benchmarks show it 'blows away' a GTX295 though?

20-40% faster than a GTX285 is about what you would expect of a new generation though, so i'm at a loss as to why there is such a massive hype around these cards and why everyone is clamouring to get one before there are even any decent benchmarks released with some proper explanantions of test setups and drivers etc.

As for like for like - I think price is the best way to decide where to make comparisons, regardless of setups - if this is closer in price to a 295 than it is a 285 then the 295 is the fair comparison as that is what it will have to compete with. Given the hype around it and the money retailers stand to make, I would hazard a guess that this will be the more likely scenario.

It's pointless trying to extrapolate any meaningful results from that chart though, you can chuck theoretical numbers at it all day long but it won't tell you anything.

 

[magicroundabout]

how can you compare price when at launch a 295 was well over £400.

that madness.

a 5870 is being reported at roughly £280 incl.

even a 285 was well over £300

 

[miker1]

If the specs shown in post #1475 are true [IF...]. The 2mb is so much better than the 1mb!

 

[Kenai]

how can you compare price when at launch a 295 was well over £400.

that madness.

a 5870 is being reported at roughly £280 incl.

even a 285 was well over £300

Launch price has nothing to do with it?

If I want to buy a card tomorrow, I don't give a toss how much a GTX295 cost at launch, I care how much it costs now.

If a 5870 outperforms a GTX295 and costs less, it will be a good deal. If it just pips a GTX285 and costs about the same, that's not quite as exciting is it?

You compare price because that is what determines where it competes - if it costs £300, then people will want to know how it performs against what else they can buy for £300 instead.

At the moment we don't know for sure exactly how it performs or how much it will cost in the UK.

 

[Tute]

If NDA expires today in America then we should see review sites putting their benchmarks up?

 

[magicroundabout]

Launch price has nothing to do with it?

If I want to buy a card tomorrow, I don't give a toss how much a GTX295 cost at launch, I care how much it costs now.

If a 5870 outperforms a GTX295 and costs less, it will be a good deal. If it just pips a GTX285 and costs about the same, that's not quite as exciting is it?

You compare price because that is what determines where it competes - if it costs £300, then people will want to know how it performs against what else they can buy for £300 instead.

At the moment we don't know for sure exactly how it performs or how much it will cost in the UK.

(bangs head against wall)

You're comparing price on a brand new product against a card which has been out 6 months. That alone is madness. you just can't do it.

Launch day prices are always high and that is what we have to compare against. That = like for like.

 

[toon_mad]

not to mention these new cards offer more such as DX11, better die size, power consumption etc

 

[magicroundabout]

also the cheapest 295 on OCUK is this @ £340

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-003-OE&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1324

roughly £60 more than what a 5870 is being reported at selling.

 

[Phage]

Although this thread has kept me mildly entertained for a couple of hours I really am now concerned about the mental health of some of the more regular contributors.

SEEK HELP!!!

+1

 

[Kenai]

(bangs head against wall)

You're comparing price on a brand new product against a card which has been out 6 months. That alone is madness. you just can't do it.

Launch day prices are always high and that is what we have to compare against. That = like for like.

LOL, you're banging your head against a wall?

At the end of the day - it has to compete with what it is priced against. It doesn't matter if the GTX295 was released yesterday or 2 years ago.

Launch prices are utterly irrelevant.

If you are buying a card tomorrow, you compare what you can get for your money at the point of time you are buying - why is that such a hard concept to grasp for you?

It doesn't matter if the price will drop £50 in 3 months time, or if the competition cost £100 more 6 months ago does it? If you have £300 to spend tomorrow, you want to know which card will give you the best performance for your £300 don't you? How can you not agree with that?

If it is priced similar to what it will cost to buy a GTX295 tomorrow, then that is what it should be compared to. If it will cost more like a GTX285 then it should be compared to that. It's pretty simple.

 

[Mmm_Badger_Soup]

(bangs head against wall)

You're comparing price on a brand new product against a card which has been out 6 months. That alone is madness. you just can't do it.

Launch day prices are always high and that is what we have to compare against. That = like for like.

Kenai is right I'm afriad.

It's about where the price point of the competition's card is at now, not what it was last year.

 

[gareth170]

LOL, you're banging your head against a wall?

At the end of the day - it has to compete with what it is priced against. It doesn't matter if the GTX295 was released yesterday or 2 years ago.

Launch prices are utterly irrelevant.

If you are buying a card tomorrow, you compare what you can get for your money at the point of time you are buying - why is that such a hard concept to grasp for you?

It doesn't matter if the price will drop £50 in 3 months time, or if the competition cost £100 more 6 months ago does it? If you have £300 to spend tomorrow, you want to know which card will give you the best performance for your £300 don't you? How can you not agree with that?

If it is priced similar to what it will cost to buy a GTX295 tomorrow, then that is what it should be compared to. If it will cost more like a GTX285 then it should be compared to that. It's pretty simple.

but it may not be tomorrow